also cnn political analyst, joe jonathan martin coauthor of this will not pass, and cnn global affairs analyst susan glasser. hello to one and all. good evening, elie, i'm going to start with you. the former presidents lawyers -- a special master. did they help themselves by comparing these documents to an overdue library book? >> no, don, it's such a ridiculous comparison. it defies the need for even further articulation. look, when you are a lawyer, overstatement is not better. there seems to be a misconception that the more dramatic claim the better you are as a lawyer. wheeler is that when you don't step out of your lane, there's no need to overstep like this. donald trump has not been well served by his lawyers throughout this particular case. they wanted to get a special master. that is not a dramatic ask. that's not unreasonable. that's not unprecedented. but in the process, they came in with such explosive, overhyped political rhetoric that they prompted this filing that we saw from the justice department few days ago, which really firmly set the record straight and, i think, d

yamiche: we call him jonathan martin. everyone who knows you calls you j-mart.resident biden will have been there three times. former president trump is also heading there why are they heading to pennsylvania? make this make sense to us? why is this so significant for them? jonathan: they're not trying to get a taste of yingling, a few of those can be consumed. probably the most important battleground state this year because you've got these marquis race first the senate and governor. it's the best opportunities they have to flip a seat. pat toomey is retiring. it's a state that has gone to the democrats, you know, with the exemption in 2016 when trump carryied it for the last few cycles for democrats. i think it's an opportunity to get get a rare pickup in the senate. if dems hold their majority in the senate it will be in part because they flip that seat. i think as important, yamiche, it's because this governor's race is so central not just in 2022 but 2024. pennsylvania invests extraordinary nair power in the governor. a governor in pennsylvania is the chief

pleased with the caliber of journalists that we have today, three friends, david stephen hayes and jonathan martin, not just journalists. they're not gonna like me saying this, but arguably not. arguably, they are celebrity who have reached the of their profession. it should also be noted whenever you've mentioned jonathan's name, that his wife betsy is here and she has risen to the top echelon journalism in and of her own right. um, something very curious happened last night that that does not happen enough in politics anymore or last night bunch of journalists and politicos got together for dinner and had fun and lots of stories were told was lots of lots of laughter. and it was fun. and then despite the different ideologies and platforms, it was it was a really good time. there. also some arguing and some disputes and, some finger pointing and most of that was brought about our our very own cattle prod. allan lange and you have the good fortune of him being your moderator for that. alan. alan is one of those people that when people say, what does alan do for a living nobody really knows and and

the caliber of journalists that we have today, three friends; david drucker, stephen hayes and jonathan martin. not just fantastic journalists -- can they're not going to like me saying this, but arguably, not arguably, they are, but celebrity journalists who have reached top of their profession. jonathan's wife betsy is here, and she has risen to the top echelon of journalism in and of her own right. something very curious happened last night that does not happen enough in politics anymore. last night a bunch of journalists and politicos got together for din ther and had fun -- dinner and had fun. lots of stories were told, there was lots of laughter, and it was fun. and then this fight, the different ideologies and platforms, it was a really good time. there was also some arguing and some disputes and some finger-pointing. and and most of that was brought about by our, our very own cattle plod, alan lang. and you have the good fortune of him being your moderator for that. alan, alan is one of those people that when people say what does alan do for a living, nobod' really knows. [laughter] an

. >> so, jonathan martin, the judge appeared open to granting the special master, with a carve out forsessment, even asking prosecutors, what is the harm, right? good special master help stop some of the complaints from trump allies? or is that impossible? >> look, i just think doing that is going to sort of keep this in the public eye for the next weeks to come. it may ultimately by trump more time, don, on the legal front. but on the pr and the political front, every day that this story, the raid on the former presidents home, and his apparent refusal to turn over classified documents -- it's poison for his party. and you saw president biden's speech tonight, don. what biden is doing is trying to take advantage in seizing this opportunity, in which president trump is back in the news. look, if you put republicans on truth serum, don, they would say, every day that trump is still the story is a wasted day going to the midterms. and as long as trump is the story in the midterms, they are going to have -- democrats are -- a punter's chance? >> listen, scott jennings was on this program

pleased with the caliber of journalists that we have today, three friends, david stephen hayes and jonathan martinot just journalists. they're not gonna like me saying this, but arguably not. arguably, they are celebrity who have reached the of their

joining me now is jonathan mar martin and jonah goldberg are back as well. relationship between president obama and president biden is certainly an interesting one. the idea they're both going on on the trail also very interesting to me. what do you make of what tension is there? >> thanks for having me. alex burns and i wrote about their relationship in our book "this will not pass," -- >> oh my goodness. >> it's important -- >> we were talking about this before the break for those who don't understand why the panel is cracking up. >> well, the idea that they had a personal relationship, biden biden/obama, was always overstated. every pick for vp going back through the history of the country is a political choice. it's done for political purposes. that was certainly the case with joe biden in 2008. and so, look, i think they developed a more personal rapport over the course of those eight years in the white house. but it was always more transactional than it was portrayed in the press. and i think we've seen the reality of that since biden became president

jonathan. thank you. thank you go over to the bill martin and bill, take it away. the code there with a code word he was using their he meant was talking about fuel moisture. you've got winds that are huge on fire. there's not a lot of that right now. there's some wind up. they're funneling through the canyons. but the fuel moistures are extremely low. that's a huge indication how big a fire you're going to have. this is the fire shot taking a few hours ago already have 2 68 100 acres the area that's burning. i know it pretty well actually have a relative that lives up there and i kind of grew up in the foothills. paradise is kind of on that same line. but further north um, this fire there's so much terrain. the terrain is brutal. it's extremely steep. there's a lot of vertical and in this area as you look at the smoke promises over six hours, watch it. blow up this area to the due east of forrest hill hasn't burned in a long time. there is a lot of old just brambles in there. we've had burns to the north and the east, but not just directly with this fire is going