love to discuss the fs cross live to jonathan mason activist and community need to end the u.s. state of minneapolis and jonathan good to have you on the program thank you for joining us and let us for about this a shape say this is far from the controversial tasing by police in the u.s. why do incidents like this seem to be on the rise i i truly think these type incidents are coming because. once again i think there's a lack of cultural. of here news to each other they the cultures are make seen and they don't know how to interact with each other and for example like you just said the eighty seven year old woman she didn't speak english and due to her sheer age i think the officers had ample. opportunities to maybe deescalate this situation versus tasing this woman and we know with a. i think there was an article with the heart association that if you do directly tase people in the chest that there are chances that you could get cardiac arrest. well the woman's family says that she suffers from to mention as you quite rightly mentioned have old age as well that considering her c

back with me jonathan swan and jeff mason, justice department reporter for the new york tiles, and political post eugene scott is still with us. let's pick up on just briefly before we set the stage again, jonathan, on this question of the enemy of the people and causing war, is this an escalation that -- i mean, what is the end game here? >> i don't know and i was asking someone, i was talking to a source today who is, you know, over the last number of years spent a lot of time with trump and i said what is behind this rhetoric? it's very bannon-like actually. it's very much like something that steve bannon used to say and trump has been saying this now for more than a year so maybe it was something that he picked up from bannon, but i don't know, the war thing is perhaps an escalation but basically it's what he has been saying for a year. and his staff don't have a particularly good explanation for that particular phrase. >> for war and sick and disgusting. it was something we heard throughout the 2016 campaign. the media took trump literally but not seriously while his supporters took him