studies and afro studies at the residential college and a very proud colleagues of colleague of jonathan metzl and very excited to be here today reproduce to some extent part of the conversation we had that was an interview i did with jonathan that was then condensed down and published in the december issue of black detroit magazine, that's blac detroit magazine, as an independent publication in detroit run by a fairly young woman, that a number of us on campus have been supporting respond pitching in here and there. i've been waiting for this book for a while now. well, month that jonathan was slow, but postally because -- because of the intersection between it and my own struggle to understand the political life of james meredith, who went from being a major icon of theself rights movement for successfully desegregating the university of mississippi in 1962, to serving on the staff of conservative north carolina senator jesse helms and campaigning in the early 1990's david duke, actions that got him labeled crazy in both time periods. no sane black person in narrative goes would ever tried t