jonathan: i want to come to you on this so-called fed put and whether the fed is truly data-dependent. rob millerkrock said they don't have the luxury of being data-dependent. when you think they can become data dependent again? kathleen: it is a good question. i think the our data dependent, but part of the data they are looking at our broad financial conditions, so that is going to include equity prices, the dollar, so how they see financial conditions evolving is going to help them calibrate where they think the fed funds rate is going to be, but i think right now, front and center for them is taming inflation, and that is what we're going to here for now. as we progress through 2022 and if things slow a little, they may pull back a bit on that really hawkish rhetoric. lisa: what would be a restrictive fed policy rate? kathleen: in our view, anything above 2% would get you to restrictive. the federal reserve thinks it is 2.4%, so there's a little pension there. markets probably a little closer to our view, but it is an unknown. it is an estimate that is very difficult to pin down precisely, bu