all these comments of come from jonathan powell as you mentioned he was the former chief of staff of the then prime minister tony blair so it's not like they've come from some anonymous operative very senior figure who's practically at the top and all of the powers certainly someone who is in the knows so i think what they do is really confirm what many suspect to be true anyway which is that the british government was spying in russia using a transmitting device concealed as a rock to pass and receive data to agents out in the field. and now these allegations actually first came to light back in two thousand and six when a russian television report and they were always fiercely denied by the british government m i six for intelligence says tony blair tried to laugh them off and in the murky world of spies spooks and cold war stereotypes it's very hard to discern fact from fiction and question marks always remained over this story but these comments now from jonathan powell i think it pretty conclusive evidence is what he had to say. the spy rock was embarrassing they had us bang to

this is jonathan powell who has no role to play today. nonetheless, what does it tell us about perhaps tensions between moscow and london today that this can come out relatively harmlessly, we presume? >> this -- there was a period particularly after the killing of the russian u.k. officer where tensions were running high and these accusations were leading to a lot of problems. so there are serious consequences, if you like, to these spy games. particularly when things get out of hand. i think this case reminded us there can be a dark side to it with this war. i think there is also a political edge in russia to the extent that the authorities occasionly imply that british intelligence is funding nongovernmental organizations in human rights groups and using that to discredit them by claiming they are taking foreign intelligence money. that's what we saw in 2006 when the accusations first came out. so there is a political edge to this at times that can be used by authorities when they choose to. >> gordon, thank you very much. steve, thank

from fiction and so question marks always remained over this story but these comments now from jonathan powell i think it pretty conclusive evidence is what he had to say. despite iraq was embarrassing they had us bang to rights clearly they had known about it for some time and had been saving it up for a political purpose. these revelations will be hugely embarrassing for m i six and the british government firstly because they were they were spying in two thousand and six for an aging one agreement but the u.k. made with russia the end of the cold war not to spy on each other and secondly that the fact they were caught doing so by russian television the report actually showed two videos one of one man walking along a path in a moscow park slowing down looking at this rock and slowing down again almost to a halt before walking off and it's believed that he was using a handheld device to actually been date to a computer inside the rock then another video showing a different man walking on the same path looking at the rock actually bending down and picking it up and checking on it and as obvious

jonathan powell, the prime minister tony blair's chief of staff at the time, has told the bbc documentary that russians had caught them red-handed. >> you can't really call up and say, terribly sorry about that, won't happen again. and they had us bang to right. clearly they had known about it for some time and had been saving it up for a political purpose. >> now to moscow, and our correspondent, steve rosenberg. steve, what does this do to relations? >> well, there hasn't been any official reaction to the news here in moscow. when and if there is reaction, i expect that will be, we told you so. vladimir pickup tibia is often saying the west is hoss tig, the west is trying to destabilize the situation here in russia, to influence the political situation here, and the fact that britain has admitted that it was spying on russia, i think that plays into vladimir putin's hands. >> steve, at the time the then-russian president, vladimir putin, reacted to those revelations about this rock to justify that new law. let's hear what he said then. [speaking russian] >> strong words from vladimir pu

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