but i think what jonathan reynolds wants to do is show— jonathan reynolds wants to do is show that— jonathan— paid working people. if you are on the flow earnings and still working. — are on the flow earnings and still working, you will get universal credit — working, you will get universal credit. and also, i think they want to differentiate themselves from the conservative government which is saying _ conservative government which is saying they'll take away the £20 uplift _ saying they'll take away the £20 uplift - — saying they'll take away the £20 uplift - i— saying they'll take away the £20 uplift — i suspect labour will suggest _ uplift — i suspect labour will suggest it wants to increase universal credit so that £20 stays. might _ universal credit so that £20 stays. might be _ universal credit so that £20 stays. might be interesting for those delivery drivers who are quoted in one newspaper today as earning less than national minimum wage. let's end on the financial times again — another story that might surprise people with big fear, "women on boards paid 40% less than men." we thin

i'm joined now by the shadow work and pensions secretary, jonathan reynolds. he is speaking about labourout - you today that i am setting out first of all when we come back to parliament in september, working with everything we have to make sure the government doesn't cut the £1000 a yearfrom universal the government doesn't cut the £1000 a year from universal credit introduced at the beginning of the pandemic and the crisis. but it is also important to set out we recognise the problems of universal credit going beyond the set amount and keeping the upper left. and crucially, this is something the prime minister and chancellor are missing, is how it will work for the people in low paid work, 40% of the entire universal credit claimant threshold, 5% in work and as they earn more, work more hours, universal credit is tapered off and reduced and what we say is a clear commitment, we will lower the taper rate, steadily over time so people in those low—paid jobs are keeping more of the money they earn and that is part of a wider package to tackle in work poverty which is at high levels in the