walk to parliament to fight funeral poverty rule for over ten he's saying this this chap called jonathan robinson is saying that one thing that really matters is dignity in death he's saying a lot of people a lot of families can't afford this you may have seen the ads on television are vital to ensure it is the vigils to get up feel this is a real concern you speak to elderly people in particular they don't want to burden their children with these costs there's a whole different story about whether that's value for money but what this chap is saying is in a twenty first century theoretically first world country many people can't afford to even bury their dead with their includes here's a i can potentially see it getting to the stage where someone takes their own life because of the worry and stress of finding the money for a funeral and he's saying this as someone on the inside he deals with the bereaved and he's dealing with individuals who maybe go to see him say what's the cheapest i can do for my own funeral and the economy has never been doing better well according to the chancellor here par

jonathan lemire. washington anchor for bbc world news america katty kay. and joining the conversation, pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor of the "washington post" and msnbc political analyst eugene robinsonh us, white house correspondent for bloomberg news shannon pettypiece. both shannon and jonathan lemire have new reporting on rudy giuliani. and, joe, i just wonder, just look at her. i'm wondering if we should just look at him. someone take a look at rudy giuliani. just look at him. >> well, i'd rather actually take a look at the associates around donald trump and see what they have to say about rudy giuliani. yesterday morning we called rudy giuliani out on this show and i didn't know whether it was going to be us again stating the obvious and people in the administration acting shocked and stunned and deeply saddened but they followed it up. pompeo saying rudy doesn't speak for us, i know him, sort of in a mocking way. i know him, he doesn't speak for the administration, doesn't speak for us on foreign policy and then i thought most interesting, you know, willie, there is a way to just swat away question questio questions and politely answer questions and then there's a way to get i

jonathan lemire are still with us. and joining the conversation, pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor of the "washington post" eugene robinsonchor for bbc world news america, katty kay. and staff writer at the "new yorker," susan glasser. good to have you all on this hour. j joe/kn joe, i know we're all clear about donald trump and what his policies are and his views towards people and race, but what about the people around him? what about mike pence? want the secretary of homeland security who was trotted out there to bumble like a lying fool in front of the cameras for this president? with what about vaupg? what about jeff sessions. the list goes on. what about every member of his cabinet? what did george bush say? fool me once, shame on me. fool me twice -- won't be fooled again. [ laughter ] in this case, you don't have to go back to 1967 to pick up a trend, to decipher a -- you don't have to be -- have a beautiful mind and connect all the pictures with strings and headlines and decode things. donald trump uses people. he trots them out like kirstjen niels nielsen. he humiliates them, he shams them and then he fires them