they say there's a big difference between google and nsa and jonathan schindler, from u.s. naval war college. yes, google does have that user agreement, so there's a little transparency there. but they do collect all that data on their users, just like the nsa is doing right now. >> well, i think there's a bigger difference there. it's not just the fact they have a policy. it's the fact that you're voluntarily using their services. you understand while you use their services, and you may not be paying a fee for it there's something happening for them to be able to monetize it. you have the choice to use google service or some alternative. if what is being said is stru about the nsa, that's a different story. there is no opt-in no option to use these services. they're just taking the data. >> john, what should be done about that? most people know the government is calling on these technology companies to give them data. if, in fact, there's a reason to do so. >> yeah, look, first of all, what we've heard so far most recently are allegations from edward snowden stolen documen