jonathan swan, what is so different this week? last week it seemed like a hail mary pass.ow back at the table? >> right. and this was interesting reporting on the weekend because i guess i went into the weekend assuming that this motion to proceed vote would fail and then started having conversations on saturday, sunday with some of the senate officers who are assumed -- were assumed to be no votes and i was getting sort of off the record signals that actual actually yes we probably will vote for this. that got me thinking, ha, maybe this isn't as dead as i thought it was. and i also got the signal that john mccain may come back the vote. those two factors led us to write on sunday afternoon that this thing was not necessarily dead. the mar gyp gin is tiny. susan collins is going to be impossible. we don't know where rand paul is, so by no means a done deal but it looks possible. >> rand paul has to be nowhere near this thing if you don't know what it is. he clearly wants something else. megan, what's fallout if it fails? >> i think we're not yet there. i'm amazed how this

jonathan swan is a national political reporter for ax ios. steven kornacki. and elise jordan, a "time" columnist and former adviser to somebody who voted no, rand paul and an msnbc political analyst. jonathan, you called the next move for the republicans their nuclear option. what exactly do you mean? >> well, it's the option that middle finger to the moderates in the republican caucus. it's saying to them, guess what, guys, you voted for this in 2015, let's see if that was a phony vote. obviously the political dynamics were completely different then. you had obama in the white house and it was all care, no responsibility. they could put this wonderful messaging vote up, knowing full well it would never become law. now they're facing angry constituents and it's very real. the white house is keen to put pressure on them. the people in the white house who are driving this are conservatives. mike pence, mark short in legislative repairs, they want full repeal. mitch mcconnell was very nervous about going for this option. it was really the last resort. he thought

jonathan swan is a national reporter for axios. jonathan, our dpeft in the last block had some reporting that the lawyers in the white house knew about this e-mail, knew about this e-mail sent to donald trump from goldstone. they knew about it several weeks ago. so everything that has caused them all of this political trauma this week, potential political trauma. they knew weeks ago. you know the inner workings of this white house well, is there a way to square they knew this was out there. they knew this could happen with all of the evolving spin the chaotic spin that they've produced this week? >> well, personally, i can confirm they did know about it. jared kushner's lawyers and outside counsel team released two weeks, which makes this statement the first statement that they released truly stunning, that they were in po sex of this e-mail that they put out a statement saying that this was all about russian adoption and left out the most salient details, which were sure to come out at some point. they were in the hands of -- this

joining us this morning, the national political reporter jonathan swan broke that story jonathan, greathave you on the program at long last welcome. >> thank you >> walk us through if you can a little more of what bannon is thinking may be pivoting around. >> so steve bannon has long believed that the richest income bracket they should be paying for taxes. 40% or higher. he believes that should pay for middle and working class tax cuts this fits into a larger philosophy that steve bannon has which is the future of the republican party is down scale working class middle class voters, naem would have voted for democrats. he sees that as the future of party. he's very hostile to what he calls the elite davos crowd. he sees the chamber of commerce, republican leadership wing of the party as the past not the future >> jonathan, there are a couple of at least davos crowd in the white house in the form of some economic advisors such as carry cohen. so what do you think is the reception of this idea how is it actually playing within the sort of policy at the white house? >> oh, it's playing ter

jonathan swan, thank you. have a good weekend. "washington post," phillip rucker, good to see you. >>> we have breaking news to tell you about. nbc news just confirming that charlie gard has passed away, the british infant on life support suffering from the rare genetic condition. he was 11 months old. his parents' attempt to bring him to the u.s. for an experimental treatment captured the attention of people the world over, including the pope and president trump. joining us from london is nbc's ali arouzi. obviously, this was a heartbreaking situation. our hearts go out to his parents, to his family. what can you tell us? >> reporter: indeed, chris. heartbreaking situation. we've just heard from representatives of charlie's parents, connie yates and chris gard, they're 11-month-old child has just died. presumably he's been taken off life support. as you know, chris, his parents have been embroiled in a bitter fight with the hospital at almost every stage of his care. as you mentioned, they wanted to take him to the u.s. for exper

that's the only context in which he would put that on the floor. >> jonathan swan, thank you very muched one last word with our panel, but sadly, we are out of time. so matt slap, joining us from washington, thank you. you guys are awesome. i hope to see you again back in d.c. where i am headed tomorrow. see you in new york tomorrow morning at ten a.m. for meat's show. >> good to see you in person for once. and if it is monday, trump jrn lawyers up. >> tonight, defining collusion. >> i would certainly say done junior did not collude with anybody to influence the election. >> the trump campaign met with a russia lawyer to get dirt on hillary clinton. are there any consequences? >> plus, what happens if the republican healthcare bill isn't revived soon? >> it's very, very difficult when you can only lose two votes, and there may only be two that are irrelevant retrievable. >> and victory in mosul. what it means for the international fight to

we talked to jonathan swan of axios and peter beinart of cnn and "the atlantic." there is a story that sessions, and i can imagine this is true, tried to resign or went in and offered his resignation. >> yeah, that's accurate. that's accurate. he did. it wasn't quite as dramatic as has been reported. sessions basically said to him, you know, if you feel it's the right thing to do, you know, i'm happy to resign. it was very much out of a sense of honor. although i've talked to people close to sessions and they say, since his resignation, he's really enjoying the job and doesn't want to leave, but even they wonder how much longer he can sort of withstand the public humiliation of the president of the united states. >> rose: we conclude this evening with a discussion of health care in a conversation with andrew slavitt, mike leavitt and congressman joseph crowley. >> i think you can get republicans and democrats to in congress to agree on three things. >> rose: right. the first is the fee for service system is at the heart of the problem. the second is coordinated ca

joining us now, jonathan swan, reporter for axios. also joining us, ashley parker, white house reporter for "the washington post" and an msnbc political contributor and the author of -- what was that ashley? a category 5 hurricane story. first to jonathan, jonathan, this idea of walling off jared kushner, this is something that criminal defense lawyers do with defendants all the time with people in investigations. it's the first thing they say is do not talk to anyone else who is involved in this in any way. in this instance, they are working in the same building, and there is apparently no one in the white house who the president relies on more than jared kushner. so those lawyers have a problem keeping them apart. >> yeah. they've been very frustrated with jared kushner discussions about how to actually -- it's obviously sensitive because the president, it's his son-in-law, and it's not exactly a rosy relationship between the outside legal counsel and the kushner camp. this is not the brady bunch. there are certainly tensions there.

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. >> you may have noticed that jonathan swan of axios snuck on to our set to talk about health care.o talk about the attorney general taking questions not related to anything at all that they wanted to talk about, alphabet. said he will ten as attorney general. >> their relationship is irreparably broken. this will never get back to what it was. there's a separate question. trump has expressed regret privately. >> and now publicly. >> now publicly. privately he has mused i could have made him secretary of homeland security and that's no slight on general kelly. he's just sort of privately mused about other things he could have given to sessions. but i never heard from anyone -- it's possible he has. none of my sources have heard trump actually say i want him to step down. >> and did not go that far in the "new york times" interview. >> right. >> we want to play a little bit of that to remind you how we got to this point at 10:30 eastern, 7:30 pacific. >> sessions gets the job. right after he gets the job, he recuses himself. >> was that a mistake? >> well, sessions should have never

joining me now jonathan swan. jonathan, while everybody is concentrating on donald trump jr.'s meeting with this lawyer we have to remember there were two other people in that meeting including jared kushner who is now running into repeated problems of meetings with russians that he didn't tell people about. >> yeah. it was obviously paul manafort and jared kushner were in that will meeting. jared kushner didn't fill out his form correctly initially. there have since been three meetings with russians that have caught the attention of investigators. and the legal team on the outside has been frustrated, has told -- have told people that they are frustrated that jared kushner is discussing the investigation with the president they want to put up a wall between him and the president that would effect til be that they can't discuss anything to do with the russia investigation. this is creating tensions or it's exacerbating tension that already existed between the outside legal team and the kushner camp. >> jonathan, you studied this well. what's the reality of this? one can argue

here is what jonathan swan wrote about it.ocrats in rust belt states to take ownership of this issue. how will the blue collar voters in the states respond when their senators are up for re-election in 2018? your thought? >> it's an interesting analysis. i think it's probably applied from the outside rather than derived from the inside. i have a hard time thinking the president sitting with his generals at the pentagon said you know what we're going to do to help this and that one and next year's senate races, we're going to take this possibly illegal action, this reckless broad declaration that's going to inflame the lgbt community i think rightly so. it's going to upend not just the operations of the penlt gone, but establish the civil rights law. you can't just declare a class of people who is going to get different treatment. the courts li s don't like this >> the president saidhedid this on the advice of the generals. we need to hear more on this. jim sciutto, i can sense you almost leaping through the screen. >> just th

jonathan swan is the national reporter for axios. jonathan, let me start with you. michael isikoff had some reporting that the lawyers are in the white house, knew about this e-mail. knew about this e-mail that was sent to donald trump from goldstone. they knew about it several weeks ago. so everything that has caused them all this political trauma this week. potentially legal trauma. they knew weeks ago. you know the winner workings of this white house well. is there a way to square the fact they knew this was out there and they knew it could out there with all the evolving spin that they produced it with? >> well, i can confirm that they did know about it. jared kushner's lawyers and the joits counsel team for at least two weeks which makes this statement, the first statement they released, truly stunning. that they were in possession of this e-mail. that they put out a statement saying this was all about russian adoption and left out the most salient details, which were sure to come out at some point. they are in the hands -- this all came out because jared kushn

jonathan swan tweeted source familiar tells me jared kushner and ivanka trump will follow john kelly'serms of protocol and information flow. but as of those like anthony scaramucci who demanded direct access to the president, the answer remains unclear. >> mr. all of the white house staff report to the new chief of staff? >> so i will do whatever the president and our new chief of staff general kelly ask me to do. >> has scaramucci, have you, have you now been told you report to john kelly? >> i will speak with general kelly and the president about that. as i'm sure anthony scaramucci will. >> when general kelly is sworn in on monday as white house chief of staff, will all staff members immediately begin reporting to him? >> i don't know. i answer to the chief of staff and i will continue to do that. >> and former clinton white house chief of staff john podesta says the responsibility for kelly's command in the white house will ultimately be up to the president. >> they have no doubt that the president has told him that he has full authority. the real question is will he allow him to e

joining us is jonathan swan, political reporter and the panel we have for the hour, white house correspondent for npr and for "politico." let's start with you. what does steve bannon want to do? >> he's been telling colleagues and associates outside the white house he wants the highest tax bracket to have a 4 in front of it. currently it's 39.6% on the highest income earners. bannon wants to raise that to pay for steep and middle income tax cuts. this is an idea that has basically no support in the white house. >> the republicans in the west wing. >> also last night, after i wrote this, i got a text from a senior official that said we killed that two months ago. i said, listen, bannon still wants it, feels it's the right approach, a. pu list idea. >> fits with the pop pulism the president ran on. not upscale, working class, used to be a vote for democrats and he sees that as the future of the party. >> let me ask you this. i can't imagine gary was not ticked off when he was reading your scoop. >> i can't speak to gary's mindset when he read this. he would not be in favor of this idea of the 3

. >> i want to bring in jonathan swan, ken vogel, a reporter for the new york times, curtis lee with the national times, and ely stokel with the national journal, and the former republican party chairman michael steele who was succeeded by reince priebus. the timing is very swren the big failure of the health care bill. it is easy enough to chalk up the ultimate career in the white house to that. but what scaramucci has been beating him up over, by nail in some cases, is over this question of leaks. if you had to guess which of those two things was a bigger factor in reince being thrown out. >> he wasn't a rich guy, he wasn't a military general. the things that trump tends to like and respect. and a lot of people had impressed upon him that reince was responsible, the communications department underneath him that he ran, that was responsible for a lot of these leaks. so when scaramucci came in, that was pretty much the beginning of the end for him. we heard today when scaramucci gave the interview to the new yorker, and came after reince so strongly and profanely, that didn't bother

steve hayes, mercedes schlapp, columnist for "the washington times" and jonathan swan, national political welcome back. your thoughts and reactions? >> the white house internally, there's really two trains of thought they're both happening simultaneously. one is who leaked this? >> bret: the email thread? >> what the view is it internally is the first on the last doors were probably linked by opponents of theirs, possibly people in the intelligence community. if the second story by "the new york times" that sites three advisors to the white house, that the story everyone is focused on and there wondering who are these people and of course there's a view internally that there's a race to bring arrivals, cover your back, and that opens up all sorts of possibilities. it's created this atmosphere when no one trusts anyone come up there all throwing out names, discussing could it be this person, could it be that person, people are opening up all the factions internally. it's a crazy environment there. as for the substance of it, they don't even try to pretend this is not bad. privately they ar

we talked to jonathan swan of axios and peter beinart of cnn and "the atlantic."re is a story that sessions, and i can imagine this is true, tried to resign or went in and offered his resignation. >> yeah, that's accurate. that's accurate. he did. it wasn't quite as dramatic as has been reported. sessions basically said to him, you know, if you feel it's the right thing to do, you know, i'm happy to resign. it was very much out of a sense of honor. although i've talked to people close to sessions and they say, since his resignation, he's really enjoying the job and doesn't want to leave, but even they wonder how much longer he can sort of withstand the public humiliation of the presidentf

axios on wednesday had one of its reporters jonathan swan say the following. the administration actually admitted that they were using it for politics. this is what an administration official said to him. this forces democrats in the rust state like ohio, mib and wisconsin to take complete ownership much this issue. how will the blue collar voters in these states respond are forced to make their opposition to this a key plank of their campaign. was it smart to go ahead and admit that a major policy change potentially for the united states military was simply a way to win the midterms? >> i would like to think that they were that smart and calculating and certainly my friend karl rove was, but he's not in the white house right now. i think that was a change the conversation moment. anytime things aren't going well for you, let's change the conversation, move on to something else, whether it's uncomfortable or not. it also looked like it was a part of a bigger deal on the wall funding. it looked like it had all kind of mechanisms in it and then it was tweeted ou

jonathan swan tweeted this.ource familiar tells me jared and ivanka will follow skwen kelly's lead in terms of information flow. do you see the president's staff from kellyanne conway down to anthony scaramucci saying, okay, now i know if i want to get to the president i have to go through general kelly? >> i think, chris, that's half the circle. yes, i think the staff will adhere to the protocol that perhaps maybe general kelly will put into place. but the real question is the other half of that circle is will the president adhere to that protocol. so in order, the president will not say, just call me or just stop into the oval office, or there's no need to go through the chief of staff. i have several friends that work in the white house now and that's what the president often will say. there's no need to go lu the chief of staff. just pick up the phone and call me or send me a text. so the president needs to respect the chain of command and the authority as well and dignify the office and literally raise hims

>> jonathan swan, thank you very much. i wanted one last word with our panel, but sadly, we are out of time. so matt slap, joining us from washington, thank you. you guys are awesome. i hope to see you again back in d.c. where i am headed tomorrow. see you in new york tomorrow morning at ten a.m. for meat's show. >> good to see you in person for once. and if it is monday, trump jrn lawyers up. >> tonight, defining collusion. >> i would certainly say done junior did not collude with anybody to influence the election. >> the trump campaign met with a russia lawyer to get dirt on hillary clinton. are there any consequences? >> plus, what happens if the republican healthcare bill isn't revived soon? >> it's very, very difficult when you can only lose two votes, and there may only be two that are irrelevant retrievable. >> and victory in mosul. what it means for the international fight to stop isis. this is mtp daily and it starts right now. >>> good evening. i'm katyty tir in new york in for chuck to do. it's been called every

curtis lee, jonathan swan, jessica chambers. ken vogel, ali velshey. super pabl. that's hardball for now. thanks for being with us. all new with chris hayes is right now. >>> tonight on "all in." obama care is alive, and the white house is in chaos. >> get over here. >> just hours after president trump's greatest failure to date, his chief of staff, is out. >> reince is a superstar. >> and replaced with a jonathan. >> john kelly, one of our real stars. >> tonight a new low for the trump presidency afternoon last night's victory for the resistance. where the white house goes from here. >> they should have approved health care last night, but you can't have everything. >> and how murkowski, collins, and john mccain may have saved health care. >> this is clearly a disappointing moment. >> "all in" starts right now. >>> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. reince priebus is out. anthony scaramucci is ascended, and the trump administration is reeling. after one of the most dramatic votes in recent senate history, brought an edge at least for now to the gop's se

. >> take the base out for one minute and jonathan swan from axios reported even the biggest trump kool-aidrinkers are the white house. they're panicked at this point. >> while the overall approval rating has remained reasonably solid at 40 or the high 30s the strong approval has dropped almost in half for trump voters. there's a strong diminution of trump in the base which i think is important. i do think that he has completely shot his credibility. when he makes statements like this, then i think it does change how we view everything else. when he says that donald jr. is releasing those e-mails because of transparency when we at the -- we have told them we're about to release them. i think it puts all these other things in a different context that there's so much circumstantial evidence of very bad things that have gone on. at this point since there is zero correlation between what the white house says and what later proves to be correct, that gives all the circumstantial incidents much more weight. >> in terms of the legislative agenda you have in the last couple of days fewer and fewer

curtis lee, jonathan swan, jessica chambers. ken vogel, ali velshey. super pabl. that's hardball for now. thanks for being with us. all new with chris hayes is right now. >>> tonight on "all in." obama care is alive, and the white house is in chaos. >> get over here. >> just hours after president trump's greatest failure to date, his chief of staff, is out. >> reince is a superstar. >> and replaced with a jonathan. >> john kelly, one of our real stars. >> tonight a new low for the trump

this forces democrats, as this is what an administration official said to jonathan swan. in the rust belt state like ohio, michigan yerks and wisconsin to take ownership of this issue. how will the voters respond when people are up for reelection. was it smart to go ahead and admit that a major policy change potentially for the united states military was simply a way to win the midterms? >> i would like to think they were that smart and calculating, and my friend karl rove was, but he's not in the white house right now. i think that was a change the conversation moment. any time things aren't going well, change the conversation, move onto something else, whether it's uncomfortable or not. it also looked like it was a part of a bigger deal on the wall funding. it looked like it had mechanisms in it, and then it was tweeted out. the policy hadn't been given to the generals yet. the conversation we're having it this morning. maybe it does work. i think there's so many things out there right now for the midterms, this might be one of the tag lines of what you want. the only t

everyone applauded scaramucci but then spicer said, according to this remarkable reporting by jonathan swan of axios, spicer said i want you all to be the first to hear that i told the president that i'm going to step down but that i'm going to be very involved in the transition to make sure anthony can be very successful sean said he wanted to give him a clean slate and then everyone in the room applauded spicer >> so let's rewind just a little bit. it's your understanding that mr. priebus and mr. bannon opposed this >> exactly >> they opposed it and they had opposed bringing him into the white house at earlier times as well, according to many reports, correct >> no. that's exactly right last night when axios learned this was going to happen, and people in the west wing were telling us there's going to be an effort to stop this, derail it, to tell the president this isn't going to work, and we know that around there, president trump gets his way he was intent on doing this. it was as certain to happen as -- >> but who is likely to be the press secretary? or will it be anthony? who isthe pe

jonathan swan tweeted source familiar tells me jared kushner and ivanka trump will follow general kelly's and information flow. but as for those like anthony scaramucci who demanded direct access to the president, the answer remains less certain. >> will all of the white house staff report to the new chief of staff? >> so i will do whatever the president and our new chief of staff asks me to do. >> has scaramucci, have you, have you now been told you report to john kelly? >> i will speak with general kelly and the president about that. as i'm sure anthony scaramucci will. >> so, josh, i don't want to sound condescending to anybody. i'll just put it this way. >> okay. >> if you were interested in the best interest of the president of the united states, and you were interested in making a president of the united states look strong instead of puffing yourself up for your tv hits whether you're kellyanne conway or anthony scaramucci, if you want what is best for donald trump, you will say, yes, i will report directly to the chief of staff, because this is something that donald trump may not h