marie harf, executive director of the serve america pac and jonathan swan from axios. jonathan, donald trump says that he doubts he ever would have been elected president without twitter. how is he taking the twitter ban at this point and more generally, what do you sense is or what are you hearing is his mood in his final days in the white house? >> well, i've had a number of conversations with president trump over the last few years about twitter and facebook. and he said to me on several occasions that it's his most powerful weapon, his most powerful tool and he believes that. he may not be wrong by the way. i mean, it's the way that he communicates directly with the american people. he goes around the mainstream media. he can speak to -- i think he's combined audiences, at least 150 million, maybe more than that. his twitter audience was something like 88 million. it's an incredibly intense following, people who are add addicted to his twitter feed. he will see this as a huge blow to him. i spoke to two people who have talked to the president the last 24 hours. they

with the reporting that i heard yesterday from republicans i spoke with and that my colleague jonathan swan heard. conversations inside the white house. aides that still work for the president, former aides, aides on capitol hill, former aides, lobbyists, political consultants, in conversation with their bosses. all saying it is -- we have to talk about what to do. can republicans let the president's actions stand? how do they respond if they can't? do they try censure, which seems like the weak tea alternative, do they pursue impeachment, which couldn't possibly be a process that would be completed in 13 days or do they pursue the 25th amendment that requires buy-in from the vice president. we do not know where he stand at this moment. it requires in practical terms, at least half of the cabinet to go along. what happens because so many of the cabinet members are interim cabinet members, legal questions about their power, is this practical. would it serve the purpose that they wanted to serve, and if not, could it boomerang and loft the president up for this obviously sort of a dangerous m

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the political reporter, jonathan swan.rs knew last summer and who expressed concerns and who was backing greene at the time. >> so republican house leader kevin mccarthy has a weekly meeting when congress is in ses. it's in the conference room of his office inside the capitol building. he gathers with the top leaders. anyway, last summer they had a series of conversations in these meetings about marjorie taylor greene. particularly vocal was the former congressman mark walker, who is running for the senate in north carolina. he said she's crazy, she'll be terrible for the party, it will be a huge problem. liz cheney was quite vocal, too, but leaders did nothing. kevin mccarthy did very little. they put on the statements condemning some of her statements, but they didn't go in as they were being urged her to stop her runoff. i interviewed her republican opponent in that august runoff, john cowan. he tells me about conversations he had with scalise and mccarthy, and he says both men knew she was a train wreck, but not much w

joining our conversation is a reporter who broke that story, jonathan swan.figliuzzi from the fbi and an msnbc national security analyst. john, i want to start with you on that reporting. it donald trump still functioning as the country's commander in chief if his staff are going to defy the orders and mark milley has assured nancy pelosi that trump can't have access to the nuclear codes? >> well, it is a really interesting and actually troubling question. it raises really uncomfortable questions about the chain of command and where we're at right now with the government. but the reality is, based on my reporting over the last 48 hours, the idea of a 25th amendment, while it was raised in the heat of wednesday, it was never seen as a serious possibility by members of cabinet. for many reasons. but also because it is seen as unworkable in the short time period. but what has happened instead is kind of a de facto 25th amendment which is they are operating as if he is not the president, many of these senior officials, ignoring him and staying away from the west

joining our conversation, jonathan swan, and matt visor.w your twitter feed for all of your reporting that you jgenerously dump into it. what is the latest on the pressure campaign on the president to his number two. >> that is the nicest thing i've ever heard about my twitter feed. the back story here is interesting and we've reported it on axy os. the president didn't realize pence had this role until very recently. and the way he found out about it was the lincoln project came up with this ad in which they called the ad pence and they ran it just in the d.c. market. mostly on trump's favorite shows on fox designed for an audience of one. and the ad sort of over the top ominous framing points out to their audience of one that pence actually plays this role and will be sort of putting the ceremonial sound of death to president trump's presidency. trump sees this ad, becomes enraged and begins to take this up with mike pence privately. in a number of conversations, he asked mike pence to send cease and desist letters to the lincoln project

jonathan swan from axios referred to the attack in interview with ukrainian president zelensky. you might remember from trump's first impeachment. >> how do you feel when you watched that happen in the united states? >> translator: i was very shocked. i was very surprised. i could not imagine that something like this was possible in the united states of america. i believe this was a strong blow to democracy of the united states. >> and with that, let's bring in our lead guest on a friday night, jonathan karl, chief washington correspondent for abc news. longtime white house correspondent. we get to steal him away from the mothership in his capacity as author of "front row in the trump show" for which he is receiving treatment. she's fellow at brookings and and our medical contributors and john meachem, from vanderbilt, advises president biden on historical matters and major speeches, once again relevant to our conversation, jon happens to be one of the co-authors of the book "impeachment" which is relevant about every two years or so these days. good evening and welcome to you a

an incredible series that jonathan swan has been reporting on the final days of the white house.t piece of trump final days is the reaction to the siege at the white house, the insurrection on january 6th that so shocked the nation. swan is in the room reporting and has a lot of trump reaction. he was focused on republicans who believed they had let him down. when they broke with him he was really fuming in the aftermath of the siege. the day before he said he loved the participants in the siege and didn't make as strong a statement as others had wanted. aides were very much focused on cleaning up the mess, making a much more forceful statement condemning the violence and protecting himself from possible legal repercussions. as the senate and the house was looking at whether he was inciting the riot. aides, chief of staff, his children were focusing on writing multiple drafts of the statement. this is the one that came out the evening of january 7th. and using that as a moment to get back on social media. they wanted to use that statement and the following statement on the insurr

they still fear him and as jonathan swan said last night, there is no indication that donald trump's base has been hurt -- other republicans have left him, perhaps, i get it, but after that, no. i will say this, the parler is the most disconcerting thing yet because they are an emerging app. you know why i know this is all about politics? the twitter ceo mocked the fact that the fastest growing up in the country, may be world was now neutralized and i thought google was in competition was with apple. they all agree on one thing, they want no other competitors, so that's a monopoly. on paper, they're competing, but not in real life and that's what's got to stop. the sad thing is, it's not up to jessie. it's up to you. it's up to you to tell democrats to say just because they are siding with you, it doesn't mean that we should keep regulation 230 in place. they should step up and understand this will bite them soon too. >> dana: there's a big constituency amongst the democrats and that's why i think it actually could happen. >> dagen: if you get rid of 230, you get more censorship, not

now with reaction to the new message from president trump, karl rove along with lisa boothe and jonathan swan all of you with us tonight. very different message tonight from the president than what we heard yesterday when he came out to the rose garden, just a bit of what he said there -- we had an election that was stolen from us, and landslide election and everyone knows, but you have to go home now, we have to have peace, we have to have law and order, your thoughts. >> too little, too late. he said he exhausted every appeal to overturn the election after weeks of pedaling a bunch of nonsense theories including saturday when he told the secretary of state of georgia that 50,000 jordans had shown up at the polls and were turned away, that's one out of every 20 voters that appeared on election day. he said we needed to have tempers cooled of the day after he gave an hour and 20 minute long speech inciting tens of thousands of people to march to the capital and show strength, don't show weakness. he talked about reconciliation a day after he threatened his own vice president unless he did an

axios's jonathan swan yesterday told my colleague that trump cabinet members may be planning a de facto 25th amendment. take a listen. >> they are operating as if he is not the president, many of these senior officials, ignoring him, staying away from the west wing, staying away from him, hoping that he doesn't call, and continuing to run their agencies and run the government without his involvement. and with a steely and much more steely now resolve that should he issue any orders that they deem dangerous or unlawful, they will flatly refuse. >> this is incredible, and you pair it with what yamiche just shared with us about the president being described as unhinged. are you hearing anything similar, that those around the president are prepared to defy him if that is necessary? >> there is certainly a lot of talk about that. a lot of people around him are avoiding him. it's also not entirely new, right. the people who have worked for this president for any length of time are accustomed to his moods, to his rages, to having to work around him to some degree. let's remember in miles taylo

jonathan swan reporting that the conversations took place.to need pence, right, and there's no indication that he's willing to invoke the 25th. if you go the cabinet route or the other route, another body is congress, will so -- pelosi hinted that, you still need the vice president and there's no indication he's willing to trigger the 25th. so in terms of what that means for senior officials at the white house, what we are reporting at axios is that they're not going to carry out any unlawful orders and in some ways, some senior officials are being urged, pat cipollone, robert o'brien, to stay in the white house to continue to be by the president's side to ensure that unlawful orders or anything untoward doesn't happen. so, you know, the time is getting very compressed on this. i tried to press speaker pelosi down on capitol hill yesterday on what her time line was for triggering impeachment proceedings, but 12 days is a tight time line and it seems as though the officials in the white house are trying to think what can they do not -- to prev

jonathan swan reporting for us last night two parts.part is this, we know that kevin mccarthy told his caucus yesterday that there was indisputably no evidence that people linked to antifa were not driving that siege last week, but here is the rest of the story. president trump yesterday had at least a half an hour call with the republican leader mccarthy insisting that they did, blaming, quote, antifa people for that siege on the capitol. and it was our understanding a very tense call with mccarthy saying it's not antifa, it's maga. i know because i was there. and just getting increasingly exaspirated during this call. at one point stopping to cut in the president and say, stop it. it's over. the election is over. mccarthy's frustration evident but mccarthy has helped get the president as far as he is now. and so that's the situation we're in. i think if you look at that, if you look at the president's meeting with vice president last night at the white house, the read out of which was meant to send a very clear signal that they have f

off the rails hosted by jonathan swan.final days of president trump's presidency, painting a clear picture of a president spiraling out of control, out of power, and trying to take the country with him. and this flight on his way go georgia. republicans ended up losing. according to sources there with trump and direct quotes from trump himself, it's clear the president was too preoccupied with overturning the results than to be fully in in georgia. it is clear he was saying things if we win, i'm not going to get the credit i'm not going to get the credit i deserve. and if we lose, i'm going to get blamed anyway. he was so focused on himself in georgia, he wasn't able to get through to other people's perspective, whether it was mitch mcconnell or other advisers to convince him why it was important to make sure the republican party held onto these seats and the republican control of the senate. >> so, alexei, you reported how trump was interacting with some of his legal advisers, especially people like sidney powell. he said

happened on donald trump's watch, and around the never responding to by donald trump, despite jonathan swan and others asking him directly, the intelligence accounting about bounties being placed on the heads of american soldiers. >> certainly, nicolle, there was a lot more clarity from the president when it comes to matters of russian mall feasance, russian aggression. it's almost too easy to do the compare-and-contrast going to the last four years and what we've seen in the first couple days and at today's short news conference there. two other things to add to claire's point, we saw the president at the end here put on a mask in the middle of pandemic. that would have been an amazing photo op had trump ever really done it. here it just happened, people expect it, yet that was such a big contrast in temples of what we're seeing from the oval office on the coronavirus, and i think also the questions that he got about the coronavirus relief package, you heard a president who comes to washington, who understands how the town works, especially how the legislative branch works, and he basicall

i will finish up with jonathan swan and suggest how the administration might focus its final days.he white house they tried to turn their attention the next few days on how they can fight back against the social media companies. so i wouldn't be surprised -- i know one person said to me, everything is on the table. i don't what that means policy wise. they said everything is on the table. >> sandra: final reaction to that, everything on the table, he's reporting? >> that would be great to hear but fully functioning white house from a difficult time doing this. we know the white house right now has a lot of concerns on its plate. >> sandra: chris bedford this morning, good to see you. the two house democrats prepared to move forward with second impeachment and the president's first impeachment trial. jonathan turley why he thinks this would permanently damage the constitution. new york officials criticized for a slow covid vaccine rollout. now loosening restrictions in hopes of giving doses to millions. we are live at one of the cities first max vaccination sites nex. >> we know tha

why do they still fear him because of jonathan swan said the other day there is no indication that theregret it. in fact, they are more dug in than ever. the other thing i would add, too. is this is such a rush. like last time. we have to quickly -- we have to quickly indict the president. we have to impeach him in the house. then nancy pelosi just had christmas and the new years and had their celebration and then brought it to the senate after. we have to quickly convict him in the house and now she evidently reportedly has to at the very least hold on for until january 19th for the senate to get it and vote on it. there is a sense that will they are going back to 2004 are where chuck schumer said that i might go back to this rule in case of emergency we could have a quick vote and call everybody back. but the majority and minority leader have to agree on it. this whole snap impeachment or the rocket impeachment has really disturbed jonathan turley because he, like many of you, think long term. beyond today. beyond trump. >> there are some very serious issues here. questions about not

jonathan swan writing that, "with 13 days left, officials are considering drastic steps to stop him.ublicans are furious with the president for what they see as fomenting an attack on american democracy, disgracing their party, and invading the sanctity of the chambers. there's concern about whether the country can withstand another two weeks with trump at the elm and what additional chaos -- at the helm and what additional chaos and division .ould be sowed others are trying to get through to trump, saying he is talking but not listening, and doesn't want to hear he has lost the election to biden." you can tell us your thoughts on twitter. one viewer says this. "remember the numbers of congress who enabled and encouraged it. remember the law enforcement to step back and allowed it to happen. remember those most fervent of trump supporters who have spent four years spewing their eight -- spewing their eight. -- spewing their hate." " immediately remove the terrorist in the white house and install president-elect joe biden. this is not a peaceful transfer of power," says cecelia in tex

jonathan swan on what he seen in the donald trump legacy. height of night tnaftthat he doesn't. he had incredible bond with the republican base and very intense bond that i have seen firsthand at many trump rallies and there are is some things that i convinced it goes away at all. i think people should be very weary of dismissing trump as will serious power his own type of power going far beyond january 20th. steve: regarding his basing the base is confused. look, i have been looked at everything and this election was stolen from me. of the system was rigged against me his followers heard that and that's why they were putting so many eggs in the one basket of decertification they were told by will various people online and certain channels that mike pence would be able to make it all better. and not acknowledge that donald trump lost but that are joe biden lost and donald trump won. i have heard from very close -- very good source that apparently on wednesday morning the president of the united states called mike pence and said essentially m