>> jonathan arthur, associate with the thomas h.ney for lieutenant nazario. your reaction and i'm sure you've seen that video time and time again. your reaction, do you agree that this particular officer had to go? >> yes. i think that particular officer had to go and i also think we need to consider whether or not he should remain certified through our dcjs. >> okay. the windsor police chief and commentary there, the actions in general, where do you stand on them and when you look at this, do you feel, jonathan, that this is training? lack thereof? just a brute approach to things? how do you explain what went down? >> i do think there is some issues with the training, but there are certain things that you just cannot train into people, to be polite, for example, to be courteous. to not lie or bear false witness. the violence that you see here is disturbing and it's visceral, but it's as equally disturbing as what officers put in the official record after this search was over. >> so let's listen to what chief riddle said when asked