jonathan turley joining us. also, peter strzok, the rogue fbi agent who plotted to quote stop president trump's presidential campaign claims congressional republicans are out to get him. congressman ron desantis is with us tonight. we'll talk about the outrageous claims of the left state. and the latest battle cry calls for abolishment of immigration enforcement and i.c.e. to leave our borders open to ms-13, the drug cartels in mexico'. the president moving to announce the choice to replace justice kennedy. president trump announced emannounce his choice on july 9. the president to make this decision in only 11 days. he plans too make it announcement at the bed minister, new jersey, golf club. they include federal district and circuit court judges, state' supreme court justices and a'' members of the federalist society and heritage foundation. >> are you going to ask your nominees beforehand how they might vote on roe versus wade? president trump that's a big one and probably. they are all saying don't do that.

jane: jonathan turley, thank you very much aslways. jonathan: thank you. jane:resident trump has long said he wants an official meeting with vladimir putin, and tn the next w weeks,um between the two presidents isse to take place. despite rising tensions between russia and the u.s., national securityon advisor john boas sent to moscow to agree to a time and place. mr. putin says he hopes for a full restoration of relations. president trump said the meeting was a positive element. pres. trump: have said it from day one, getting on with russia and with china and everybody is a very good thing. ry is good for the world, good for us, good for edy. we will probably be meeting sometime around my trip to euro. jane: to get more details about what might be on the agenda, i was joined a short time ago by the director of the wilson center's kennan institute. what does each side want from this? >> i think the fact of the s point become t important in and of itself, but because the relationship is so attenuated. for the russian side, there is no question that a meetin

laura: jonathan turley, thank you so much for joining us. jonathan: thank you. laura: i other news, in afghanistan, at least seven people have been killed and many otrs injured in a suicide bomb attack near a large gathering of muslim clerics in the capital, kabul. the blast happened as religious scholars were leaving a meeting which denounced violence in afghanistan as un-islamic. jordan's prime minister has resigned after public protests against austerity measures introduced by his government. reports said he was summoned by king abdullah, who demanded his resignation. the demonstrations were triggered by higher food and fuel prices and proposed income tax hikes. the ceo of starbucks is stepping down. the firm had 11 stores in seattle when howard schultz joined in 1982, but it now has 28,000 across the globe. schultz says he is considering a range of options for his future, amid talk that he enter politics. maywe are getting more details on the summit between president trump and north korea's kim jong-un. the white house says the meeting will take place at 9:0

you heard of jonathan turley i thought aas good point, this has been going on a long time.he department of justice withholds information and claims that information is classified, wentie unredacted, why would any body defend that practice? >> the prosecutor may have some belief at an initial stage that things mayay be classified in tt case or in other cases, there may be some theory that it is not classified, and ultimately a judge decides it. this is no differe. tucker: thie bit different, the trump depa of justice i will withheld this information from their congress that andrew mccabe spent $70,000 on a conference table. you can't argue that that information is in self classified or critil to american national security. that is butt covering, why would anyone defend that? >> you're trying hone in on one particular reason why things are redacted. >> tucker: what would be that justification for redacting that he spent $70,000 on a conference table? >> i don't know the detailed circumstances. the point i would want to make to you in listening to what jonathan turley just sai

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and jonathan turley.e a lot to get through this morning, including the new democratic nominee for new york's 14th congressional district, outspent 18-1. progressive community organizer alexandria ocasio-cortez is pretty shocked this morning, defeating congressman joe crowley last night. a party leader was seen as a potential future speaker of the house. check out her reaction to her win last night. >> she's looking at herself on television right how are you fe? can you put it into words? >> nope. >> that kind of says it all. there's a move afoot to -- whether it's on the democratic side or the republican si there's move afoot for some change. and i think that her background and her energy has everything to do with what's happening right now in politics. >> yeah. no doubt about it. willie, obviously her positions are left of center when it comes to joe crowley. they're left of center when it comes to where the dccc would want her to be. at the same time we usually find in wave elections people with positio

interesting constitutional argument, can the president pardon himself. >> constitutional law professor jonathan turleyveryboevery inaugural prayer should include the line "lord protect us from every really interesting constitutional questions." professor turley joins us ahead and much more on giuliani's claim that the president can't be indicted for murdering someone -- >> wrong. >> and that someone he picks for example just happens to be former fbi director -- >> wrong on so many fronts. >> -- james comey. >> the can't be indicted? you want to try that on for size? >> interesting choice of -- >> the president can't be subpoenaed? >> -- murder victim. >> unbelievable the claims. we'll be back in one minute. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ this looks worse than i thought. mike and jen doyle? yeah. time for medicare, huh. i have no idea how we're going to get through this. follow me. choosing a plan can be super-complicated. but it doesn't have to be. unitedhealthcare can guide you through the confusion, with helpful people, tools and plans. including the only plans with the aarp name. well that wasn't so bad at all. that's ho

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legal scholar jonathan turley, a democrat, is now saying these findings in the ig report exonerate trump from any obstruction of justice charges which means they should all end and end now. take a look. >> to me, obstruction claim involving comey was always difficult but after the ig, it's become virtually income principal because the ig said that comey was insubordinate, that he deviated from policies. he violated fbi policies. all those are a good reason to fire james comey. so the problem that's going to come up for the critics of president trump is that this dog just won't hunt when you've got both the ig and the deputy attorney general saying he deserved to be fired. you can't assume everything against him. there is another interesting aspect here. if mueller was really going after obstruction based on come comey, then rosenstein would have to recuse himself. rosenstein said that if mueller told him he was a witness, he would remove himself. he hasn't done that which makes me think one of two things. either mueller is ignoring conflicts of interest or he's not seriously pursuing tha

joining me now, jonathan turley, he's a constitutional law professor at george washington university, he's been following and writing about this case. let me read you some of the dissent of this decision today, this was from sonya sotomayor, she did not agree with this holding up of the travel ban, she said a reasonable observer would conclude that the proclamation was motivated by an anti-muslim animus. and most people know what she's talking about there, donald trump as a candidate, repeatedly saying it was his intention to ban muslims from entering the united states, until, i think he said, we can figure out what the heck is going on, or some wording like that. when somebody comes to office making a promise that explicit about muslims and issues a travel ban that affects muslim majority nations, does she have a point? >> she certainly has a point about this concern, the tweets of the president were disconcerting, they were reckless, they were alarming, most of us denounced those tweets. but this is moreut the judicial function than it is even the president himself. what the majorit

reshape the supreme court.fo more on this, short time ago i spoke to constitutional law professor jonathan turley. 'this doesnt happen every day. jonathan: it is measured by decades. s no, it is venificant. the fact is,e often talk about seismic changes on the court. it is very difficult to overstate this. the president does not have to make much of a change to the righfrom kennedy to have really cascading changes across a dozen areas of law. kennedy has an immense legacy, but it is perhaps the most vulnerable legacy on the court. most of his cases hang in a 5-4 vote, and he is the fifth vote. anyone who is to the right of m could make transformative change. jane: what sort of issues couldf beted by this? jonathan: first of all, kennedyi was a le conservative who voted with the right of the court except for areas of r individuhts, excluding criminal law. when it came to gay-rigris, same-sex me, privacy, he would often speak in a different voice. i think he found his voice on those issues. it would be profoundly personal and passionate. the writing was quite different from the other decisions. it

joining us now is jonathan turley. he's a decision expert and professor. >> from the first opinion issued on the travel ban, i thought that it would be reversed by the supreme court, because the court was relying -- the lower courts were relying so heavily on the president's public comments and tweets. and that was pretty unprecedented to the degree to which they did it. and so what the majority said is that you can't ignore the rest of the record, you can't rely so heavily on those types of statements even though the majority took a sort of slap at president trump at one point. they talk about how other presidents have elevated the discussion, including president bush going to a mosque after 9/11. so the majority conveyed they didn't agree with the statements. but they were really focusing less on the travel ban, less on president trump as they were on the judicial function. and they said that this really goes to the record upon which we have to rule, and they felt that the ninth circuit had gone outside those navigat

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earlier i spoke to jonathan turley, professor of constitutional law at george washington university. did the supreme court leave open this question of whether a religious shopkeeper has a constitutional right to refuse to serve gay people? jonathan: it did. it basically took an offramp. tentimes we look to see these tough cases whether at the end ofhe day, justices decide they want to simply punt this one, take an offramp and leave it for another case, another time. this court is divide it is divided 4-4-1 in this area with kennedy in the middle. it was no accident that kennedy played such a dominant role here. i think at the end of the day, some of the justices got sticker shock. they didn't want to go all thed way any that this is a free-speech case, free exercise case, and blow away discrimination laws. on the other hand, they express greasympathy for the baker. what they ended up doing is saying, well, one thing we all largely agree on is that he wasn't given his full due process. they didn't give him a hearing of his grievances. laura: is it likely that the will have to opine on

we had jonathan turley, a law professor on with us earlier.eaction to the threat. >> i think a threat even one for a civil subpoena is reckless. he shouldn't have done it. he is subject to the oversight of the house and the senate committees. the committees have a history of rather poor oversight. for those of us who have argued for years that the committees need to exercise real oversight, demand documents and not back down, this is actually refreshing trend. >> sandra: do you agree with that? >> yeah, that is actually true. generally when you have the house that controls congress, if it's the same party, the party of the white house, you don't have a lot of oversight. i think if we are talking about all of this yelling back and forth and the arguing back and forth we do tend to lose sight of the actual fundamental issue, which is the house has subpoenaed these documents. the justice department has not turned them over. if you talk to members of the house, they will say well, yeah, we need to pursue, if rosenstein threatened we need to pursue

. >> we'll bring in jonathan turley now on the phone. law professor at george washington university. jonathan, you heard there the name robert bork was just mentioned. anthony kennedy is on the court, has been on the court, for the last 30 years because robert bork could not get confirmed. ronald reagan's very conservative nominee was rejected by a democratic senate in 1987. kennedy, the fall-back choice. the fear of democrats all across the country right now certainly is that now with a republican senate by the slimmest of margins, but a republican senate, nonetheless, and donald trump as president, that essentially robert bork -- a robert bork-like figure could everge and go on the court here. is that a real possibility? >> it is a real possibility. the change in the filibuster rule made this an entirely different process from the one we've seen in the past. the republicans have every incentive to move this as quickly as they can. the fact is those mid-term elections are looming over the senate. they don't know quite what they're going

jonathan turley joining us. also, peter strzok, the rogue fbi agent who plotted to quote stop president trump's presidential campaign claims congressional republicans are out to get him.

lou: but yeah, georgetown university law professor jonathan turley says the constitution is clear. he said to fox news, "the language of article two is quite explicit in giving the president a pardon power over federal offences with the only exception related to impeachments. donald trump can certainly make a good faith case for the right to self-pardon." our firstuest tonight to discuss the explosive report on the fbi investigation into russia collusion, the agency appearing to violated its own rules, when using informants before a formal investigation was ever launched, joining us here tonight, john sol eman, opinion contributor for the hill it's great toave you with us john, the fbi violating its own rules, you know, it is a new context, it is a new offense but it's apparently a long list of offences just waiting to be explored here. >> well you know the boroughs have a great history of solving a lot of great crime and also some black eyes at different times in our country. i think i have some breaking news for you though tonight lou just before i walked in here i just found out

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perspective from alan dershowitz and jonathan turley.m to the administration, the president is actually thought out this policy? >> well, i don't know. i know he should be saying three things. three absolutes. number one, no separation of parents and children. and number two, no detention of any child more than 20 days and number three, immediate who are now -- those are the three -- work within those three -- >> we are having a hard time hearing you. we are going to go to professor turley just for now. professor turley, about the 20 days that goes back to the flores settlement. is it clear to you from a legal standpoint if the administration can't get that court order reversed, that settlement reversed is it possible these kids who theoretically be held with their families moving forward for 20 days would then be separated? >> absolutely a possibility certainly. if you follow the flores consent agreement, they can only hold these kids for 20 days. so you have a choice and this is kicking the can down the road. so you reunite the family.

also jonathan turley, law professor talks about doj's inspector general report is out and the inspector and the fbi director are going to sit down before the senate judiciary committee later today and you know what, there could be some fireworks and so we have dan bongino, he will say that trey gowdy is going to -- was quoted as yesterday as saying that the republicans will hit fbi and doj with the, quote, full arsenal of constitutional weapons at their disposal unless they start coughing up those documents that they've been looking for. anyway, busy 3 hours, kicks off just about 10 minutes, rob, right here on the channel everybody trusts for their morning news. rob: that's right, steve, what did you get for father's day, any big present in. >> my son gave me a box of john roberts business cards. i have been circulating with those over the weekend. rob: heck of a weekend. lovely family, they must love you very much. [laughter] rob: president trump supporter disrupting robert de niro broadway play wit keep america great flag, this is what happened during curtain call in bronx, the man es

just a review of what we all read let's ask jonathan turley a professor at george washington universitying, for example, horowitz? >> i think part of the sort of narrative that's going to play out in this hearing is get horowitz to explain the difference between not finding bias and not finding actions caused by bias. i think what what horowitz said in the report is that there was bias but he didn't have any documents or no one 'fessed up to taking actions due to that bias. and that is a critical distinction. he refused to make an assumption that these actions were taken for the wrong reason. unless he had clear proof. that's a responsible threatening to do. now, by the way, that plays in the same way towards president trump, you know, a lot of theories about obstruction for president trump make every assumption against the president. instead of the more likely motive for firing comey. brian: jonathan, you also bring up -- by the way, do we know if he talked to peter strzok about the so-called plan to stop him or the insurance policy? do we know if strzok cooperated? >> well, we're assu

i also want to bring in jonathan turley, joining us now on the phone.eems as gorsuch appointment was in some ways incremental, while a replaced is just missed -- replacement justice for kennedy will more dramatically remake the court. talk to us about that? jonathan: part of the problem for republicans is that trump himself has sold this possibility as transformative. indeed, many of the republicans emphasized the need for trump trump's election so they could replace kennedy if you are tired. nominee is, if the even relatively more conservative than kennedy, it inld have cascading impacts almost a dozen different areas. legacy is both events and rather-- immense fragile. many of his cases hang by a 5-4 margin. so any justice that is further to the right from where he is standing now would be transformative. the question would be how fast the senate can move this nomination? the democrats are clearly going to try to slow things down and see if they can push this beyond the midterms and possibly put trump in the position obama was with merrick garland. th

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lawrofessor jonathan turley here to discuss that next. who is in our green room it is larry the cable guy and his whole family. [laughter] steve: wearing shorts ♪ feel the clarity of non-drowsy claritin and relief from symptoms caused by over 200 allergens. like those from buddy. because stuffed animals are clearly no substitute for real ones. feel the clarity. and live claritin clear. until her laptop her sacrashed this morning.eks, having it problems? ask a business advisor how to get on demand tech support for as little as $15 a month. this week get boise case paper for only $29.99 at office depot office max. steve: dunedevin nunes calling any move to withhold them from congress obstruction. here to weigh in constitutional law professor at george washington university jonathan turley. jonathan, good morning to you. >> hi, steve. steve: first of all, start at the very beginning does congress have a r t see these documents? >> it absolutely does. nunes is correct that this committee that t showed these documents to. steve: the gang of 8.

jonathan turley joining us.strzok, the rogue fbi agent who plotted to quote stop president trump's presidential campaign claims congressional republicans are out to get him.

but the point that i would want to make to you and listening to jonathan turley as well, we are lookingt these as reductions and loot these of the overght role into the department of justice. you have to draw a clear line between investigations that are over such as the clinton email investigations, and investigations that are ongoing such as the trump russian investigation. there is a long-standing practice that the department of justice does not give over information relevant to ongoing to congress, and that is sometuse intelligence committee, through the use of their purported overght role has sort of done away with and tryo get it. >> tucker: it when you say purported oversight role, do they not have oversight role? >> if they have an oversight role. >> tucker: what do you mean purported oversight role? >> they are using the guise of their oversight role app to ask for information that either they should not get, or that they tentially and by accounts coordinated wit the white house and others who aren't subject of the investigation. that's entirely improper. >> tucker: i understand

. >> one thing to pick up, jonathan turley said this on martha's show, horowitz wasn't saying there was bias. he said there wasn't evidence -- conclusion of bias that was determine thattive. he said i'm making this in a text because i want to help hillary clinton. that is something that horowitz couldn't find. there's bias without the report. christopher wray wouldn't be instructing the fbi to have basically training on bias if he wasn't worried about the way that this report outlines the behavior of fbi agents. look at peter strzok talking about we'll stop president trump and other agents saying that trump supporters are lazy poss. another fbi agent saying they're worried about president trump stopping the past eight years of president obama. you have another doj employees trying to get a job for his son on the hillary clinton campaign. so you cannot look at this report in its entirety and not find bias. that is a blatant lie from democrats out there in trying to make that talking point. it's not the case. >> to your point, the media bias wasn't in james comey's decision making. i don'

listen to legal expert attorney jonathan turley. he's also slamming rod rosenstein.ake a look. >> i think the threat for a civil subpoena was reckless. he shouldn't have done that. he is subject to the oversight of the house and senate committees. these committees have a history ofher poor oversight. for those of us who have argued for years that these committees need to exercise real oversight, demand documents are not backdog trend. the allegation thaone party used the fbi to investigate the opposing party, it's one of the most serious matters for oversight in our system. it goes to the very heart of our electoral system and our governmental system. there is every reason for the members to want to see these documents. >> sean: some members of congress, they are also firing back. congressman gowdy and meadows revealed the resolution calling out rod rosenstein for his threats to subpoena. of course it all comes in c the shadow of the rampant obstruction of justice thatt we know has been going on with the doj not willing to hand over documents. including specific requ

jonathan turley, professor who is very familiar to the fox audience, on quite a bit, says the language of article two is quite explicit to, giving the president a pardon power over federal offenses with the only exemption related to impeachment. donald trump can certainly make a good-faith textual case for the right to self pardon. that doesn't mean it's a great idea politically or the optics of it but at least professor turley thinks there is an argument on the text, it would be legal. >> i think it could be legal. this is one of those constitutional rabbit holes that we could spend months and months pursuing. even years. i, frankly, don't believe the special counsel mueller world decide to go down the constitutional rabbit hole. the only reason we have to worry about the president pardoning himself for the criminal sense is if robert mueller tries to indict him. there are not many legal scholars who think that an indictment of the president is likely. however, if mr. mueller recommends impeachment, the constitution is absolutely clear. the president's power to pardon, it says, "excep

let's get some analysis from legal scholar jonathan turley of george washington university. thanks for being here. what struck you from today's hearing? >> what was really interesting was the different narratives, the fact is the ig was not likely to find that decisions were based on bias. but also it's not true that he didn't find bias. he actually found a lot of bias. it's just that he's not going to assume that the bias he found was the cause of decisions taken by the fbi. >> bret: not his mandate. >> that's right. unless someone was going to confess or help out with an email detailing some conspiracy, there wasn't going to be a finding that bias drove the decisions. but the republicans were correct. the report is heavily laden with very disturbing bias, including from the chief investigator. the question is that wasn't his mandate. he's not going to make those assumptions, so where do you go from here? the answer in the constitution as you go to congress. congress has an oversight duty to look into this. some of these questions are simply not answered. for example, linds

here is a law professor jonathan turley. >> this lot is to create a this 20 day clock running.elease but then you have this gap, the mothers moving on a different track from the kids. that is a legitimate issue that the trump administration wants to resolve. >> experts eight to solve the problem, congress needs to close the loopholes, which are well known well-known to immigrants, as "the new york times" reporting, "our migrants have admitted they brought their children not only to remove them from danger in such places as central america and africa, but because they believed it would cause the authorities to release them from custody sooner." for years, it worked. but enforcing the laws has dramatically slowed the process and shifted the debate. shannon? >> shannon: trace gallagher, thank you very much. meanwhile, conservative commentators like rush limbaugh are asking why the media is now so outraged about something that is not new to this administration. >> children and families being separated at the border, eight as an entirely manufactured crisis. it's entirely manufactur

by pete williams, nbc news justice correspondent, charlie sykes from the weekly standard and jonathan turleyrsity law professor. what a group. pete, we've been talking about thissing about three hours. i want to skip politics for about five minutes. i think the democratic party is loaded for bear on there baby. talk about justice kennedy. you're from california, you went to stanford. understand the nuance of what a california republican, a northern california republican is all about. i think kennedy's the essence of that. >> he's from sacramento. remember it was president reagan who put him on the supreme court. initially he voted with the conservatives. one of his first breakaway votes was on the core question of roe versus wade. he's been a pretty consistent vote on abortion rights ever since. he up held a ban on partial birth abortions but on the core holding of roe versus wade, he's been solid. affirmative action his vote critical. you mentioned his vote on guy marriage. he wrote that decision. it's interesting you picked that quote because it has the word dignity and that is the word th

you know jonathan turley.rofessor of law at george washington university and a constitutional scholar. professor, i had to reread the ad three times because that line never jumped out at me. >> that's because you're clueless, you don't realize that al qaeda often their new tactic is to sell high schools at a discounted price. that's apparently the new terrorist threat in america. the problem with this, michael, is that it is not unique, as i mentioned on the blog. there is a series of cases now where the first response as opposed to the last response is to call police. in arizona you had a kid who was charged with 69 indecent exposure charges because of a prank photo he took with his football team. in missouri, you had a kid who faced criminal charges because he snuck the word "masturbate" into the final draft of a year book. a kid in indiana was arrested because he snuck into school to but a blow up dahl in the girl's bathroom. we have this cya trend, everyone calls the police, gives kids a criminal record fo

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let's bring in jonathan turley and former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor barbara mcquaid. s ly obviously every phone call michael cohen has ever done, every threatening phone call he's ever made is looked at under a legal microsco microscope. i understand that. my suspicions are that he was not the first fixer of a president or a presidential candidate to make that sort of phone call. that doesn't mean it was the right thing to do but let's not kid ourselves. that has happened before in american politics. what's the impact on that in what's happening in the southern district of new york or the mueller investigation? >> well, let's be clear. that phone call is a disgrace and so is cohen as an attorney. >> attorneys are not supposed to talk like that. the new york bar has an opinion today that says you're not just allowed to throw out threats against criminal and civil action against witnesses. he gets everything wrong putting aside the ethics. he even says it's impossible for a man to rape his wife which is untrue in all 50 states so this is a real signature moment for cohen

jonathan turley who is a legal scholar who has written extensively in the area of constitutional law. he has served on a consultant of homeland security and testified before the house and senate on constitutional and statutory issues. he has been ranked one of the top 10 lawyers handling those cases, and the second most cited law professor in the united states. welcome professor. turley. >> thank you, senator. peters and menard-- members of the committee. it is a great honor to come to this committee to speak about this issue of the constitution. if there is a sacred article of the constitution it is article 1 section 8 mac. -- article 1 section 8. it is not only constitutional but moral responsibility. the words congress shall have no power failed to capture the moral imperative. it is rather an obligation meant to adhere to each member when you raise your hand and take your oath. at the earliest stages, members begin to struggle with this responsibility. regrettably, this is the ultimate and perhaps inevitable and to that process. this amounts to a statutory revision of one of the m

we are joined by jonathan kyle turley. it's good to see you. >> this is a big development.t seeing "hamlet." he is walking on next -- walking on the stage next week. i expect him to say the e-mail were his personal political view point and didn't interfere with his position. but there is a lot of specific questions he will face. including a meeting that was referenced by page talking about an insurance policy against president trump being elected president. that meeting was supposedly attended by andrew mccabe but mccabe says he has no recollection of being at the meeting. so there are conflicts with other key people maybe he can clear up. >> martha: there is so many questions that just come to my mind thinking about this. you think about the text message that said, you know, when discussing the prospect of a trump presidency, like don't worry. then the quote, "we will stop him." we will see what his answer is to why he would have said that in a text message. >> he may say look, this is hyperbolic and unprofessional but there are also specific think things he was involved w

. >> sandra: jonathan turley has something to say about that.ys this is why it's so important these documents get turned over. listen. >> the fbi and the department of justice has a long and checkered history of classifying things that are embarrassing. i don't know what will come out of this. it may be a great yawn. the important thing is that the american people need on both sides, the trump investigation and this investigation, to see the facts. we don't need -- that goes beyond just showing it in a classified setting. >> sandra: the american people have heard enough about it. they want answers. >> that's right. i agree with the professor. this is not new for the justice department. this is the way that the doj is hard-wired. it doesn't want to be transparent or share information. they have legitimate reasons for doing that. we're in an unusual situation right now where i think serious questions have been raised about what went on behind the scenes. i'm hopeful that doj and congress will find a way to negotiate and get the answers that we're