jonathan ward, founder of at las organization, also author of "china's vision of victory". jonathan, great to have you on the show. let's start with first your thoughts about this phase one deal that has just been reached and your assessment of its prospects. >> thank you, lou, it is great to be here. good evening, everyone. i think when you look at the phase one deal, you really have to look at this in the larger picture of u.s. china strategic competition. i mean, this is going to be the toughest contest we have had with another adversarial nation since the time of the ussr, so anything that you are doing right now, i mean, there is a desire on both sides to relieve pressure, both on markets and politically, but it really has to become a foundation for american strategy going forward to win an economic competition with china that's going to take place over a couple of decades. their big game, i mean, their objective is in the 2020 to surpass the united states as an economy and from there to build in global strategic power and

in his doctor jonathan ward. jonathan it's a pleasure to have you thinking so much for joining you. >> hello mary it's great to be her. >> 's overuse apprise the president decided to do this phase i deal? do you expect to see the two sides signed this thing? what's your reaction to it? >> i think the phase i deal people have been talking about a lot. it takes pressure off the market it takes pressure out of the election cycle for the president. and on the other hand up with the chinese and very interesting spot. because now they have something that if signed, we'll have to see if they honor. so china has broken numerous international agreements and thus the basic nature of our problem with china. after many decades of bringing them into the international order, they are seeking to take it over and expand their power. they are building a giant military, surveillance, and they seek to displace the united states as a dominant superpower overtime. i believe all of their strategies and the chinese language and translat

jonathan ward, founder of at las organization, also author of "china's vision of victory". let's start with first your thoughts about this phase one deal that has just been reached and your assessment of its prospects. >> thank you, lou, it is great to be here. good evening, everyone. i think when you look at the phase one deal, you really have to look at this in the larger picture of u.s. china strategic competition. i mean, this is going to be the toughest contest we have had with another adversarial nation since the time of the ussr, so anything that you are doing right now, i mean, there is a desire on both sides to relieve pressure, both on markets and politically, but it really has to become a foundation for american strategy going forward to win an economic competition with china that's going to take place over a couple of decades. their big game, i mean, their objective is in the 2020 to surpass the united states as an economy and from there to build in global strategic power and military power. we have to be ready for that larger, you know, set of situations here, a

jonathan ward, founder of at las organization, also author of "china's vision of victory". nathan, great to have you on the show. let's start with first your thoughts about this phase one deal that has just been reached and your assessment of its prospects. >> thank you, lou, it is great to be here. good evening, everyone. i think when you look at the phase one deal, you really have to look at this in the larger picture of u.s. china strategic competition. i mean, this is going to be the toughest contest we have had with another adversarial nation since t

jonathan ward. jonathan, good to see you this morning.l are unsure how it protects intellectual property. how do you see it? >> right, i think that's right. it's very preliminary. we don't know what's in it. understanding the quality of this deal has a great deal to do with is it going to get into the deeper issues of u.s.-china relations and i don't think that can be resolved in a phase one. the idea you're going to get $50 billion in agricultural purchases in exchange for not raising tariffs makes good sense. but an exchange for lowering tariffs, you're starting to take leverage off the table when it comes to deeper issues of intellectual property theft, forced technology transfers and the entire u.s.-china geo strategic competition. the bottom line is china is trying to surpass us economically. they believe they'll be the dominant super power and we have to win that contest. so you can give yourself a little breathing room, a little extra energy in the world economy but then you have to retrench and get ready for the bigger competition

jonathan ward. jonathan, good to have you this morning. thanks for joining us.aying okay, we're going to waive the fees on pork and soybeans. >> i think on one hand, what african swine flu did over the summer in china was devastate their food splie supply. supply. in one hand, it's out of obligation. this is partly to deal with that. on the other hand, the bigger issue in the u.s.-china trading relationship, the nature of this problem, intellectual property theft, forced joint ventures, these sorts of underlying structure issues are not going to be resolved as easily. maria: sounds like they're not doing us any favors, dagen. they've got to give us a break on pork. dagen: you were talk about this very issue before anyone in the media was discussing it. so to your point, china always acts in its own best interest. so where does that leave us? >> i think the point is, as we head into 2020, people are going to have to start looking beyond this u.s.-china trade deal. you and i have been talking about this since the summer, the spring. it's not coming. every juncture

to new york see rockefeller center, celebrate jonathan's 40th birthday, that they be careful of not people not far from trump towers that engage in three ward monty where they take your money by having you looking at the wrong card with a stone or whatever they put under the card in the is what we saw on talk shows yesterday by republican leaders. they are discussing whether ukraine was involved in supporting hillary clinton, which is not what is in front of the congress and the senate. what is in front of the congress and senate is whether the president of the united states donald trump withheld military aid to get them to announce some smearing of his opponent. we're not even in front of the senate in front of all of what happened in '16. nothing happened in terms of ukraine and hillary clinton, but even if they had, that's not what we're looking at. but in the three card monty game, you get them to look at the other card so you can get away with their money. and that's what he's doing. he's having us discuss something that is not before the intelligence committee, not before the judiciary committee, look at the other card so i can steal