i'll see you then me the me ah, welcome back to all the parts but jonathan zimmerman, professor of history education at the university of pennsylvania, and also all 3 speech why you should give them professor zimmerman. before the break, we were talking about the psychology of politics and politicizing of psychology, but they would be at some other reason which i want to explore with you or your colleagues, jonathan hyde, and the regular piano from there. and now famous book, the coddling of the american mind, also address the phenomena that we are talking about now. and they suggested that it may be partially due to the collapse of the soviet union. and the americans, losing that sort of archetype will figure all of anatomy in the soviet union union, which kept them together, which kept political tribalism at bay, perhaps even provided some sort of a social glue. i wonder if this is something that's tried or whether you will look . i mean obviously i know john and greg and i respect their book. i think the jury is still out on that. you know that his degree to which the cold war factored

while to discuss it, i'm now joined by jonathan zimmerman, professor of history education at the university of pennsylvania. i'm author of free speech. why we should give a damn professor. it's good to talk to you. thank you very much for your time. thank you. it's good to be here. now let's start with. i'm sure purposefully i g. title of your book. why should anyone and specifically, why should any american give a damn about free speech? well, i think the reason they should give a damn it is that every great movement for social justice, every great campaign to fight oppression in his united states, was powered upon and depended upon free speech. that's really why we wrote the book to remind people about the radical uses in the radical potential of free speech. unfortunately, in my view, free speech and part of the united states has now been coded as a conservative value. and i find this ridiculous and a historic and the reason we wrote the book and the reason that you should get it down if you want to make anything better in america, you need free speech. and every campaign to do that has

while to discuss it, i am now joined by jonathan zimmerman, professor of history education at the university of pennsylvania. i'm author of free speech. why we should give a damn, profess.