so you know my feeling is and this i got from jonathon porritt a tipping point will come a tipping point is going to come this is going to happen at some point we are all going to realize oh my god the ship is on fire it nothing else matters and the wise man is an irishman said to me recently fixes his roof when the sun is shining not when it's pouring with rain i think probably the citizens are ahead of the of the broken dynamic between big business and government what is going to happen then do fiercer and film i mean. can you have sympathy for a fair to take sponsorship from big multinational companies who may be wearing the not the same with the wildlife and countryside links because they're so desperate for funding i think you have to be careful whether you're an individual citizen or a or a community or a group about who you take money from don't you i mean of course there are many organizations and individuals with more money than they need and perhaps frightened to give that money away that that wealth does need to be shared in a very large way as well as a small way and supporti

of it in my mind but does the wildlife in countryside link have the ear of government we had jonathon porritt who's advised prince charles he also advised b.p. on our program he said there were hers on this program that. b.p. was greenwashing and people who have the ear of government arguably are the big fossil fuel companies not maybe the wildlife in countryside link. well you're absolutely right they do and they have been greenwashing but the tide is turning isn't it i mean renewable energy is now cheaper than than oil. these companies have been warned by the banks themselves they've been warned to be prepared for a massive change and that massive change is happening wind and solar power is now foreign it doesn't need subsidies anymore it's actually in the market as a more affordable more economic. viable solution. so you know my feeling is and this i got from jonathan porritt a tipping point will come a tipping point is going to come this is going to happen at some point we are all going to realize oh my god the ship is on fire if nothing else matters and the wise man is an irishman said t