sanjabaiden and his now former press secretary jonsaki, they repeatedly said, in particular, everyone repeatedly, preferably once, that there will be no contact between the desired person and putin until putin agrees to de-escalation, that is, until putin ceases fire, for sure, i don’t start to agree at least to withdraw their troops at least to the position by february 24. that is, this is biden's position. it is very similar to, let's say , ronald reagan's position at the beginning of his presidency, then there were contacts then between the united states and the soviet union periodically at the level of, say, the ministers of foreign affairs, e.e., if i don't remember, there were then contacts at the level of ministers of defense, well. sometimes there were contacts at the level of ministers of foreign affairs, there were contacts at a lower level, there were meetings at the negotiations on arms limitation e. that is, well, you see now how the contact between the minister of defense took place, that is, there can be contacts, but as biden himself said, there can be no contact at th