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. >> i'm joined by e lelise jorda former aide to george w.h, and malcolm nance, a veteran of the united states navy and msnbc terrorism analyst. let me ask you about this. fish rots from the top. what do you make of that kind of comment passing? one person obviously didn't like it because they ratted her out. but somebody making a statement like that in a white house meeting. what do you make of that, elise? >> it all stems from the top, chris. it starts from the top. this is a president who has shown himself repeatedly to have an unparalleled ability to just unleash casual cruelty. you look at all of the numerous incidents targeting the gold star family, attacking a woman, a war widow, whose husband had just died. there is no limit. so of course it's unsurprising that this is the way that white house staffers behave. when donald trump is so consistently cruel himself. >> malcolm, what is it? just tough guy talk? do you think it was done in some context we're missing because on the surface it sounds awful. what do you think it meant? why woul

joining me know, marry jy jorda national political correspondent for the "washington post." let's take a look at who melania is. she's 48. he's 71. she married donald trump when she was 34 years old. while he has a very anti-immigrant stance, his wife was born in slovenia. his first wife, ivana, also born outside the united states. they were very different people before the presidency. walk us through, right off the bat in your piece, what blew me away, the very different life she leads. she wakes up in her own bedroom. not something we normally see. she doesn't eat with the president. she really lives a life similar to a lot of moms out there. >> except she's not just any other mom. i think why this is so interesting is that if he wants to run again in 2020, she was a big part of dismissing allegations in the campaign about his alleged affairs. any sign of strain in the white house, you know, has a lot of political analysts wondering about really what is going on there. when we took a look and talked to a lot of people over the last several weeks, many people said it was re