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its absolute rejection of any statements aimed at the displacement of the palestinian people to egypt, jordan, or saudi arabia. additionally, egypt reiterates its unwavering, national and arabic principles, which are rooted in the palestinian peoples right to establish their state along the borders of june. 4th 1967 with east jerusalem as capital cross. now 2 political analyst and professor. it's a wrong university science mohammed mirandi. professor miranda good to have you on the program with us trump uh floating this idea of relocating god's us population both to jordan and egypt. both nations have repeatedly rejected this force to displacement plan. do you think that they're likely to kevin to pressure from washington? it's the palestinian people resisted for almost 16 months for they had 16 months of genocide a yet they refused to budge that there is no reason to believe that the jordanian or the junction governments could force them to do anything else. especially since both of these governments know quite well that their populations are very angry that they haven't done anything for th

there are many, there's a deep collective memory and lebanon and the gulf states in jordan and egypt are these waves. and so i think there's a lot of ignorance showing of ignorance of history. and frankly it, it's definitely a political you risk to think that the jordan and egypt are in the way, going to accept politically. the more the waves of may in january, to thousands of dollars to the interest of them there. and even in practical matters, their economies have been deeply here by what's when and what's going on. and it's just in practical terms of pretty good start is the case that you get the impression that right now there's going to be a lot of sort of intense back to not being capitals across the world, trying to tell, present trends administration that this idea as is unworkable and alienates some of his very close allies, many of them in europe. i am sure that that's already happened and will continue. but i can envision us investors in the region. us defense that the series and the region receiving frantic phone calls from their counterparts, particularly in amman, in cai

we have already heard trump say, couldn't palestinians go to jordan and egypt?h countries have rejected. palestinians said that is not something they want. can you understand concerns when it comes to what trump has said from palestinians about the fact they feel they are being asked to leave gaza? guest: the time to think is out-of-the-box, new ideas. it is not our position or up to us. we have no intention to stay in gaza. we went into gaza because of october 7. our goals are to release the hostages and make sure hamas is not in power. what happens the day after -- the president has a point, it is not sustainable in gaza today. there is a need for something new. that is for the president to discuss with other leaders. host: what about the palestinian authority being in charge? guest: [indiscernible] we are fighting in the city of jenin. they tried to fight terrorists in that city and failed. i do not think they will have that ability. leave aside politically if they want it or not. they are not capable of controlling part of jordan and samaria. host: i want to

presence the us supports there's really, really do through this network of countries, turkey, jordan, egypt, the m, ritz, morocco and, and among others. and by we kidding their hands, especially countries like egypt and jordan and pushing them towards potential instability or saudi arabia, that would be devastating to the united states and his presence in the region. and of course my extension is rather regime. i don't think he understands any values of genocide and holocaust or something that any sane human being would reject altogether. and it's something that one would resist yet. what the trump is basically saying is that the is randy. resume should not only go on punished, but the people who own the land should be expelled. for the sake of the trump is allies, as friends. and of course, there's rarely regime that would benefit from taking a garza. it's a, it's a issue of morality that all human beings recognize, but the collective west and that leads in the west. they have no moral compass the right time to hit the height says russia has been testing the capabilities of its latest 5th

trump: i believe we will have a parcel of land in jordan and egypt. we may have someplace else.we finish our talks, we will have a place they can live happily and safely. don't forget, they only want to be on the gaza strip because they don't know anything else. they don't have an alternative. they don't want to be, but they have no choice and they are being killed there, no place is as dangerous as the gaza strip. sumi: jordan's king says arab nations will offer a united response to trump's proposal to take control of gaza suggesting egypt would lead the talks. king abdullah has rejected trump's plan to relocate palestinians saying his country is at a boiling point as it already hosts 2 million refugees. trump suggested he may withhold or -- aid from jordan and egypt, but backed down and that today. king abdullah will not be answering questions from journalists about gaza's future. >> do you want to see the u.s. on the gaza strip? >> as i said earlier, they are looking at egypt to present that plan. we will be in saudi arabia to discuss how to work with the president and the u.

so trump says egypt and jordan will agree to resettle palestinians from gaza, something both countries have rejected. most of the what was declared by trump is considered a violation of international laws and an aggression on the united nations charter. it is considered a disturbance of international security and an interference in the solvency of jordan and egypt. and this is not acceptable at all that because last spring and no doubt, she joins us live from my mind. nor do we know in previous statements by donald trump that he talked about how we do a lot. so them referring to egypt and jordan took us through the pressure that they are coming on the potentially in order to play bull with this plan for sammy jordan and egypt are both recipients of american military and other forms of aid. and so the pressure could be really crushing at to both countries who bore the brunt of not just the genocidal bore on gaza, but only other regional conflicts, especially jordan, which is sandwich. it has syria to the north. it, they the, as a war on lebanon had its ripple effects here in a jordan as

jordan, egypt, we know the king of jordan will be meeting with donald trump next week.ink there will be pressure from the president? >> yes, i think that is safe to say. jordan relies heavily on u.s. assistance to really run the country and care for its population. it is energy starved and has high unemployment and the list goes on. if donald trump is putting pressure on allies such as canada or some european countries over greenland, he will do it to the jordanians. they will dig in. this is a very, very serious challenge to their ability to survive as a nation. they would consider this an existential proposal to them. >> i wonder if you think we could see any potential action from the international community or united nations. we have had comments from the un secretary-general saying forced displacement was tantamount to ethnic cleansing. >> i am a former state department official and worked on the un portfolio when i was there and i sigh repeatedly the un failed to uphold international law and stop ethnic cleansing. i personally do not have any faith in the internati

and one of the countries and it could be jordan if it could be egypt, it could be other countries. and you can go 4 or 5 or 6 areas. it doesn't have to be one area. but you take certain areas and you build really good quality housing on like a beautiful town, like some places where they can live and not die. because guys is a guarantee that they're going to end up dying. the same thing is going to happen again. it's happened over and over again, and it's going to happen again, assures you standing that peter. so i hope that we could do something where they wouldn't want to go back, who would want to go back. i have experienced nothing but death and destruction the oh. well, i don't think they're going to tell me now. i know, and i think they're going to tell other people not i think there's a good chance to look all of them. i mean, we're talking about probably a 1000007 people, 7, maybe a 1000000 a. but i think all of them i think going to be resettled in areas where they could live a beautiful life and not be worried about dying every day. the way. yeah. say it. i don't see it ha

his meeting with the king trump painted at the possibility of withholding us fine mental age to jordan, egypt h, receiving over $1300000000.00 annually. and now jordan has offered to take think 20001000 children with urgent medical needs, strong price. this has a beautiful gesture, adding that he's 99 percent. sure, he will also reach an agreement with egypt was clearly away as gas as population, exceeding 2000000 trump is looking for a broad a solution. the king of jordan made is clear of any further. decisions would depend on egypt stands, hence the outcome owner of an upcoming arab leaders meeting, where a joint response is expected. another topic, halston meeting, the future of the occupied westbank for weeks. as you know, the idea of has been conducting large scale operations. they are fueling speculations of israel is preparing for an exaggeration, the territory referred to by as well as judea and samaria. it's biblical name is seen by many, and these really a government has a future part of the state. here's what's donald trump had to say about that many people in the region, especiall

that press conference is that even though haven though is the leaders of saudi arabia, bahrain, egypt, jordan, etc. in other words, the us is era partners. i have said there are posts to this idea, even though egypt and jordan have said, we're not going to resettle permanently. the 1800000 displays palestinians. what she said was donald trump, in his early calls, when he became president of the united states, she said she expects them to take the refugees. that's what she said. and so there's a very clear message there that donald trump is essentially strong arming in terms of this plan. so while she was defending this plan for the united states to own gaza and to reconstruct it so that the just place policy is cannot return. especially, she's sort of speaking in glowing terms that he is a visionary leader that thinks outside the box, solves problems that others cannot solve. and she also, we should pull it up, said that he made this decision with the humanitarian heart. but at the same time this, there's a, there's a bit of force behind this plan. also a lot of on on said the o gaps we can s

jordan as well as egypt in fact, and other arab countries, have resisted strongly resisted trumps, planned for palestinians to leave uh or to be forcibly kicked out of gauze now. jordan's king abdullah during that press conference during these, the talk at the white house said that the arabs will be coming to the united states with a response to trump's does up plan. what do you expect these air countries to do next? and how far are they willing to go, particularly countries like jordan and egypt, who are big recipients of us for an aide who share security and defense agreements with the united states. or i think the lynch in the off and had a response. and what will happen here is solid. it'd be, haven't been said of mine is guarantee the strongest of leader. he takes initiatives he has limited resources. i think king of the law and probably egypt as was are hoping that the m b s. how about this of mine would back them up one way or another. so that is the out of just don't get their act together and the palestinians don't get that act together and speak with a unified voice and use out o

president trump is pushing the king to relocate to million palestinians from the gaza strip to jordan and egypthe cease-fire in gaza now hanging by a thread, both jordan and egypt are strongly opposed to the president plan to create this resort in gaza. despite his threat to suspend u.s. aid to the two countries if they don't agree to take into million palestinians. there was this from the king. >> one of the things we can do right away is take 2000 children that are cancer children or very ill, to jordan and then wait for the egyptians to present their plan on how we can work with the president to work on those challenges. >> i didn't know that, you said, 2000 children with cancer or other problems. that's really a beautiful gesture. that's really good and we appreciate it. we will be working on the rest with egypt, you will see some great progress. i think with jordan you will see some great progress. we will have some others helping, at a very high level and the whole thing will come. it is not a complex thing to do. >> some others think it is. however outlandish the plan might be, to those

as we've seen, the palestinians don't want this jordan, egypt, saudi arabia, even this turning, prime minister has come out and said that uh is truly a still suppose the 2 state solution. we're the push back going to come from the within the united states to think of as well. i think am actually from potentially from the republican party and republicans in congress because what trump is quoting for is, is that would be a very large and long term deployment to the american troops to the causal strip. mainly his expense is cooling for the withdrawal of american troops from the middle east. and he's railed against nation building and reconstruction and spending him a commodity. and this seems to go completely against that. so i think that the many of trumps of allies in congress who would get them set me up with the idea of a long time amount committed to department in the region. i'm. i'm many american benches is why would wonder why the united states would want to take responsibility for the, for the gaza strip. and what's that, why it would be in tomorrow because interest to do so. so

together all of the countries that have real influence when it comes to the palestinians — so egypt, jordan states, and then the palestinian authority gaza after the war — it would start in the south of gaza and sort of work so that is what they will discuss today, and the idea presented to the full arab league indeed. and their homes at question here, but president trump sees the redevelopment of gaza as a business opportunity. if a plan is to be put togetherfor a more humane redevelopment, do you think there will be interest i think there is a profit motive but i don't think it will be on the part of investors. impoverished, was almost entirely reliant on foreign aid to survive. i don't think anyone is expecting their contributions exercise, as you say. is on the part of the companies that will actually do the work to rebuild gaza. you look at egypt, which borders gaza — it has a big construction sector. it has lots of overcapacity not only in building but related sectors. cement than it could possibly use. there is, when you talk to businessmen in egypt, an expectation that they are goin

reporter: egypt and jordan said they have no interest to do this. president trump: a lot of people have said they wouldn't take anybody back in venezuela and flying them right back and doing the right thing in venezuela. panama canal is in active discussion right now. and virtually that has been said is incorrectly stated. [indiscernible] president trump: i don't think so. they had the alternative. they have no alternative right now. they are there because they have no alternative. what do they have? it is a big pile of rubble right now. have you seen the pictures of it? who could live like that and very dangerous. shooting all over the place, bombing all over the place on both sides. i don't think if they had an option of moving in a large group or smaller groups, i would think that they would be thrilled to do it. when you say the dpazza strip, they don't have an option. it's very dangerous. [indiscernible] president trump: they don't have an option. they have to go back to gaza. there is practically not a building standing. those buildings are sh

[talking simultaneously] reporter: if not jordan and egypt, what other countries might accept palestinians from gaza? president trump: i know jordan and evipt have spoken -- egypt have spoken with you. i think other countries will accept also. i think that gaza maybe is a demolition site right now. if you look at gaza, it's all -- i mean, there's hardly a building standing and the ones that are are going to clams. you can't live in gaza right now. and i think we need another location. i think it should be a location that's going to make people happy. you look over the decades, it's all death in gaza. this has been happening for years. it's all death. if we can get a beautiful area to resettle people permanently in nice homes where they can be happy and not be shot, not be killed, not be knifed to death like what's happening in gaza, and right now you have in gaza a very dangerous situation in terms of explosives all over the place. in terms of tunnels that nobody knows who is in the tunnel -- the whole thing is a mess. and i think that if we can resettle -- and i believe we can do it in ar

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trump: well, i think jordan and egypt will. i know they've spoken about it with you, and they say they're not going to accept. i say they will. but i think other countries will accept also. i think that gaza maybe is a demolition site right now. if you look at gaza, it's all -- i mean there's hardly a building standing, and the ones that are going to collapse. you can't live in gaza right now and i think we need another location. i think it should be a location that's going to make people happy. you look over the over the decades, it's all death in gaza. this has been happening for years. it's all death. if we can get a beautiful area to resettle people permanently in nice homes and where they can be happy and not be shot, not be killed, not be knifed to death like what's happening in gaza. and right now you have in gaza a very dangerous situation in terms of explosives all over the place, in terms of tunnels that nobody knows who's in the tunnel. the whole thing is a mess. and i think that if we can resettle, and i believe we

and so many other arab countries have high stakes in stability prevailing in egypt and jordan. so i think the message from all of these era governments is that a force displacement of the palestinians from gaza into egypt, jordan, and slash, or some g, c. c, states crosses a red line. and i think the era statesmen will be very firm in this position. georgia is the optics of king abdullah and president trump sitting together. they were smiling and there were no real specifics offered as to next steps and proposals. but how difficult must that meeting have been for king of the lemming? this is a, a tough diplomatic needle to thread, right? as you're absolutely right. i think it's really difficult to disagree with what you said. jordan is a close us ally. the country's economy very much depends on us for in there are huge economic problems in the country. so the leadership, of course, has to take very seriously the possibility of us. i permanently cutting off age to jordan. at the same time, public opinion matters a lot enjoyed interest like in any country around the world and lead

its absolute rejection of any statements aimed at the displacement of the palestinian people to egypt, jordan, or saudi arabia. additionally, egypt reiterates its unwavering, national and error, but principles which are rooted in the palestinian peoples right to establish their state along the borders of june. 4th 1967 with east jerusalem as its capital trumpet said guys that needs to be cleaned out before. and now he's loading the idea that egypt and jordan both countries that order the enclave could take in the displaced people and how's them now? the united states and israel are once again discussing the face of the palestinians without even letting them have a seat at the table as for egypt and jordan. well, the egyptian foreign minister has met with the new us secretary of state and made his position clear. it's a know from cairo, this position is almost sure to be echoed by your list of the solution to the palestinian issue, isn't palestine or just like jordan is for the jordanian. palestine is for the palestinians. i believe we all want to achieve security stability and peace in the re

president, the refugees from gaza out of gaza, if not jordan, egypt. what other countries do you think might accept palestinians from gaza? >> well, i think jordan and egypt will. i know they've spoken about it with you, and they say they're not going to accept. i say they will, but i think other countries will accept. also, i think that gaza maybe is a demolition site right now. if you look at gaza, it's all i mean, it's hardly a building standing and the ones that are are going to collapse. you can't live in gaza right now. and i think we need another location. i think it should be a location that's going to make people happy. you look over the over the decades, it's all death in gaza. this has been happening for years. it's all death. if we can get a beautiful area to resettle people permanently and nice homes and where they can be happy and not be shot, not be killed, not be knifed to death, like what's happening in gaza. and right now you have in gaza a very dangerous situation in terms of explosives all over the place, in terms of tunnels that nob

reported earlier in the hour, that he would like to see the palestinian people leave gaza, go to jordan and egypth we should note. the leaders of jordan and egypt said they have no interest in doing so. what would that mean to you? does that sound to you like the forced migration of people away from their home? is that something that american presidents should be advocating for? >> i don't think it's our role to take people from land that they've inhabited and tell them what their future should be. i think our role should be trying to encourage a future for the israelis that creates security for them, for the palestinians, that creates some sovereignty and and reconstruction and a life that's not under a terrorist organization. um, you know, this is a president who says outrageous things because he thinks it always will result in a deal. i'm not sure that works as well in the middle east. >> another thing the president has been proposing, he responded to an offer from the president of el salvador to take american citizens convicted of vital crimes and put them into a what is quite a brutal prison

saudi arabia, jordan, egypt have all come back and said, no way. >> true. but listen on greenland, the danish danish officials are taking the greenland threat seriously. justin trudeau is taking this 51st state gambit seriously. they're not treating it as bluster. and there's a reason for that. >> what all these things. >> have in perspective. >> you should take donald trump seriously. but i've said this, started this. you should not always take him literally, but you should take him seriously. >> and i think what this all has in common with the jd vance thing we started talking about at the beginning of the segment, was that it's all the reality show presidency. you teased something, you throw it out there and say, after the break, we'll find out more. and i think this is all teeing up a commercial break and seeing what's going to do it. >> but to your point, it could end up becoming very, very serious. i mean, he could try to displace 2 million people in gaza. i'm just saying. >> that saying that out loud. >> yeah, exactly. but i'm just saying, you know,

considered a disturbance of international security and an interference in the sovereignty of jordan and egypt, and this is not acceptable as a whole. king of the law of jordan also condemned the idea during a meeting with the palestinian president and health phone consultations with the meat of potter and crown prince of sodium ravia. the odd is key in this developing story that has regional leaders rattled. society for an ministry was 1st to round li, condemn trumps remarks as a formal salad. your relations with israel will not happen without ending these really occupation and palestinian statehood of this. so the position will encourage i mind, cairo, and capitals around the world to stand their ground in opposing trump shocking plans. statements of condemnation alone will not defeat donald trump's push for annexation, and displacement. governments around the region will have to come up with a counter offer that also fulfills palo studying rights to state foot. reconciling these opposing goals will determine whether the region is heading towards confrontation, cooperation with all the 0. i'

even when he 1st suggested that egypt and jordan should take palestinians from gaza as he pointed along the palestinians on to interested egypt. and jordan couldn't have made it more clear that this is a non stop for, for them prominence and method. yahoo seem to be going along with the idea of how is it being viewed in israel. oh no one knows what to make of it in his real mom is this because, you know, everyone knows by now the trunk business goes, the cliche is unpredictable and transactional and you never know if he means this and it will see this through is a policy will trump is an agent of payoffs, this is what agents of chaos to be saw this, this chord on certainty, on predictability, confusion of the sanctuary. everyone with ideas, some feasible, some half feasible, and some not feasible at all. now you can look at it from a practical point of view and shoot it down and say ok. the u. s. has no legal authority to do this, the us doesn't. i'm just not going to invest the finances and logistics to do this . the us cannot politically deal with the situation on which 2300000 polici

and this will have vast implications on the security on the subject of the asian jordan and egypt, a key allies for that up states. most of the juices say countries lucky i still to the united states as well. so why to anthem? is that the reason and for this propose on the table? and this brings me to the, to, to the next point, which is, is from, since he is, is he bluffing is, is this a game? is this an invitation tactics possibly? and if i want to take the scenario of the tease is, is using this tactics to exercise maximum pressure to get the best deed in his mind . my, my guess would be the best deal is to bring out of countries into us for governments which have been diffusing so far. meaning the outset, arrangements in pennsylvania and the american mindset involve bringing out of toughness through and venza. and, and i think we have this built in the heads up for me and other countries. i've been defusing this proposal so far, so not by threatening to expend stevens out directly. can you click lens garza and to transfer them to other countries, then possibly use pressuring that

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. >> will you press the idea that jordan and egypt take palestinians from gaza? i would like to see jordan and egypt take some. the gaza thing has not worked. it's never worked. i feel very differently about gaza than a lot of people. i think they should get a good, fresh, beautiful piece of land. get some people to put up the money to build it and make it nice and make it habitable and enjoyable and make it a home. >> they don't want to leave their homes. >> i don't know how they could want to stay. it's a demolition site. it's a pure demolition site. if we could find the right piece of land or numerous pieces of land and build them some really nice places. there's plenty of money in the area, that's for sure. i think that would be a lot better than going back to gaza, which has had just decades and decades of death. >> what would those plans be? >> they could be in jordan or egypt. they could be in other places. you could have more than two, more than one. you could have more than two. you would have people living in a place that could be very beautiful and saf

and these are high left is fixed up just simply for jordan to say yes or for egypt to say yes or even the palestinians up to say yes i'm it is, it is something that is very unfortunate. the trump administration is doing not just with doing that in this case, but the way of dealing with a allies, the pre in union. kind of that the way he wants to do that, as well as the way he's dealing with china and bustle and the other on. this is for acting a new, very unclear to come on diplomatic. i'm understanding the city and i'm aware of there's 3 of all of these countries, especially here this can i can i put a point to that's gaining traction in the american media. some of us officials have express the opinion that a number of middle eastern are of states would prefer to see the demise of palestine in order to strengthen ties with israel. i'm the us. what is your take on the theory that that's being spread? and i don't think there is a, i mean, or a country with the leadership that would uh, be remembered in history, a sticking part of the displacement of palestinians. i bet for joy. the nam

couple of days to see if these one of the ceasefire deal will stick and have the the leaders of jordan in egypt have held a phone call. and they're saying that the gaza strip should be rebuilt. without displacing palestinians, what more are we hearing on that in as well, the positions of jordan and egypt have been quite clear since the beginning since president donald trump had floated around this idea the united states buying gaza and forcibly displacing its entire population, which is more than $2000000.00 palestinians, and he was saying that there is going to be a sliver of land from jordan and a sliver of land from egypt for them to live on. not understanding the palestinians are tied to the land and will refuse to leave their homelands. but the arab league previously had signed on this letter, saying that they reject what trump is saying and what jordan and egypt are saying now is that they want the strip to be rebuilt quickly. would while palestinians are there that they want america as a partner for peace in the region of course, and want their assistance, but at the same time they can n

he could be threatening military a to jordan and egypt here in exchange for them taking to taking on the these a policy and populations. would that be a how powerful of leverage is a to jordan and syria is not about protecting the boundaries of you are there is a jordan and egypt it is about allowing the regina to keep under control the population and maintaining the disagreement for this. right, right, so if he takes that element out, is the opening, i know how long as well. i don't think he would go as, as far as doing that. and also we have to remember that trump has desperation of being that great peacemaker. and now he is faced with that with that option either . he allows nothing, you know, to mislead them as he did with george w bush back in 2003, 2003 and take him into the conflict. or he applies his own mind. any reaches the conclusion that the proper piece agreement in the number that he has may even lead to i'm being given the nobel peace prize. so it has to balance these options, i think, and i'm sure he will. as soon as he starts meeting with those leaders, these are very