jon erlichman as an ally and we have a special guest with us, jordan robertson.y have the byte for us today? >> $1 billion as the baseline amount of money that the u.s. secret service estimates is lost every year to atm skimming. it's a form of hacking. it's where they attach a piece of plastic to an atm machine and they capture your pin code as you enter them. it's a form of physical hacking is on the rise. >> i'm completely naive. i always thought that the a-team was pretty much safe. i am the same way. i don't think about the internet connection. this anda piece about he could probably write a hollywood script about "oceans jobs and get the malware in there and get the cash. some really fascinating details about the legs criminals go to to get access to atms. it has gotten harder for them to act pin codes inside retailers. they are applying for and getting jobs as -- a technical service firms that service the atms. that's how they can pry open the machines and install tiny electronic circuitry so that they can steal pin codes. it's a very elaborate and evolved