jorge enrique botero had been covering the conflict in columbia for about 20 years i'd say. and he was one the only journalist to get into hostage camps. and his reporting on that for columbian television and newspaper reporting was something that was very instrumental in the 90s when president ended up doing a hostage exchange between the guerrillas and the government. he was exchanging military and political prisoners for >> we met him and interviewed him, and then a year later in 2003, the american -- three american contractors, well, actually, four contractors who were in a plane that went down, and when their plane crashed, we immediately started getting in touch with the mother of the one of the american hostages because she was the only person who was on tv, and at that point, about three months after, three or four months after the hostages had been taken hostage, we were called out of the blue asking if we could get an interview with money of the americans. i need to have it, and i might not see you for a long time after that, but we'll be in touch. we made a film c