there's joseph and stewart alsop. two famous americans who went beyond just trading information to working with the cia on some of their projects out of a sense of patriotism and adventure. joseph alsop took a trip to visit orwell's wife. the animated "animal farm" gets a lot of support from the cia because of its anti-soviet message. joseph alsop offered to get a reporter briefed by the cia, so all this information that the cia wants out, that it can't necessarily just come out and tell people about, and then send those reporters to europe and have them report things that the cia is giving them. and presenting it as information that has come about through just basic reporting practice. >> so, if david hadley had unfettered access to go to the cia headquarters in virginia, see everything, talk to anyone, what would you look for? >> i would look for any file on arthur hayes sulzberger, who is the publisher of the "new york times" for the early part of my project, he's there until the 1960s. and whether or not the cia a