. >> joseph butler. [list of names] after the next speaker, we are going to take a short recess for the court reporter. >> my name is joseph butler. am qualified to make evaluations of historic resources. third we have heard of numerous deficiencies. the exclusion of fact could do not support the objectives. that indicates this is not meeting what is required. the cultural landscape links the resources. having succeeded, who building of the beach chalet to provide for recreational use of the beach and its adjacent grass fields. preserving the original intent of creating a national sexting -- a natural setting has nothing to do with replacing the natural grass field with a toxic field of rubber, heavy metals, and petroleum byproducts. the architectural historic resources are not only consistent with surrounding cultural landscape, they are responsible for it. >> we will be taking a short recess. >> commissioners, we are taking a 10 minute recess. thank you. >> the commission is back in session. we are sti

butler came running out and said no, no, he thought you were edward teller. >> perfect. we are going to turn questions to the audience in one minute. a final question for me. when joseph heller wrote "catch-22," i think this is correct to. can tv was riding one flew over the coup to's next and kurt vonnegut was writing cat's cradle. this was in the 80s. produced all this year reference. eisenhower was president. we were the silent generation. we didn't protest but something was bubbling. >> allotted had to do with the war. >> but which war? take mine. you mean the korean war? >> it had experience of world war ii and the holocaust. how do you deal with all this stuff? how do you cope with it? when do jewish way is through tumor. not that they were all jewish but it was in the air. it was the style of the time. there were many books in this vein. joe's was preeminent and it has lasted. >> did it come out of the holocaust? >> it came out of him. if you read -- >> jewish neurosis. >> we are not neurotic, lesley. we are just accurate. [laughter] >> perfect. all right. you know what? don't you want to see the audience? can we have some lights so we can see how beautiful eve