follow your -- [inaudible conversations] that's joseph campbell. he writes another book by britisher anthony campbell. >> okay. >> "seven states of consciousness" and the back cover there was, you know, if you are more interested about medication, call this number. he went and learned meditation with his wife. he dime massachusetts, told my wife and me how he was met at a timing for a month was the most powerful and life changing event. that occurred to me, i said to him, good for you. [laughter] i wasn't interested. i had this concept of chanting. and my wife, a pediatrician, and absolute loy brilliant went and learned it. i noticed amazing changes in her. i was holed up in a month and i said to the teacher, i said i have three concern about learning meditation. the first is i'm in a position as associate chief of medicine at the medical center to occasionally reprimand the medical students and staff and junior colleagues. i don't want to become mellow. number two, i'm playing in a tennis tournament and i'm in the finals. i'm very competitive. and

let's let's start with this whole you actually on page thirty nine you're talking about how joseph campbell you know the first images of earth the the important a myth the. how are paradigms changed and we saw that marble in the sky and all these other things tell me of the. the importance of story in narrative and how time has changed for us over time. well i think we've been using stories for a long time certainly since you know aristotle's age to teach people and motivate people you know we've got stories with clear beginnings middles and endings and you know we've used them. to motivate people to go to war you know let's just go get those guys and then we'll win to have religion you know keep believing and you'll be rewarded in her. when or someday most will come you know keep your eyes on the prize the ends justifies the means and we'll make it through to the end so stories on the one hand they help motivate people and keep us directed but on the other hand they can be rather exploitive you know whether it's a movie that's teaching us you know that oh. the values in arnold schwarzenegg