as wonderful a writer of joseph conrad his last book is terrible. that is the way it is. >> host: and but to talk about the unconscious creative mess in scientist has well where it percolates innie the unconscious and sometimes pops out uninformed and it can take years and years and you if you are a established writer you feel the compulsion to write without that. >> that is what you do. we keep going. >> host: final question. >> the academic take on "catch-22" is whenever it says about war of our capitalism that is of parable of the loss of faith of god. does this academic conceit have any basis in reality for your knowledge? [laughter] >> i have been to have wrote down my favorite passage in the book that goes to that point*. i think it is an answer to your question. >> good god how much reverence can we have for a supreme being who finds it necessary to include such phenomenon as tooth decay in his defined system of creation? [laughter] i will go on. i think that answers your question. what in the world is running through the warped, evil mind of

and then there's the kind of, there's the joseph conrad movies that certain directors made into great movies out of great books. it can be done. i think every book is different, and every writer is different. for instance, dickens is famously cinematic, and everyone who writes about dickens says the same boring thing, and i'm now saying it now. but when you read a dickens novel, you can see it as a movie. and many of the movies are wonderful. like "great expectations." >> here's what i thought just to slip sideways for a minute. it took me 30 years to realize that "the graduate" was e polltous just like it took all of us a long time to realize that the wizard of oz is ulysses -- >> i still hadn't realized that. [laughter] >> well, think of -- >> i like it. >> they always have the same ending. you bring me the head of frey doe garcia or the grail or the witch's broom stick. finally, almost dead from making the task, doing it, and the wise man always says the same thing, you already know it. there's no place like home. that is the story of the search for knowledge or, also, of an educat

, find the defendant, conrad robert murray, guilty at of the crime of involuntary manslaughter, in violation of penal code section 192, subsection b, alleged victim, michael joseph jackson. >> reporter: we're told that that scream there inside the courtroom was from michael's sister, la toya. during the verdict, conrad murray sat pretty quietly, showed little emotion as the jury was polled. he did look at them. he was then handcuffed and remanded immediately into custody. his sentencing will be on november 29th. he could face up to four years in prison, as well as the loss of his medical license and up to $10,000 in fines. as for the reaction of the family as they walked out, la toya again said, finally, there has been justice in this case. the rest of the family remained pretty quiet as they got into their cars and drove away. as for the crowds, though, they were jubilant when they heard that verdict being read. there was a scream out here. michael jackson's music began to play. many of the fans have been out here throughout this whole six-week trial. others during the two-hour period that we were given notecation that there was a verdict gathered here. and it'

in the above action find the defendant conrad robert murray guilty of involuntary manslaught manslaughter. section 192 subsection b. alleged victim, michael joseph jackson, alleged date of june 25th, 2009. as charged in count one of the information, this 7th day of november, 2011, floor person juror seat number 3. is this your verdict? your individual and personal verdict? >> yes. >> ladies and gentlemen, i'm going ask you whether this is your individual and personal verdict. i'm going to be asking you individually if this is correct. if it is your individual and personal verdict say yes. if it is not your personal verdict say no. is this your individual and personal verdict juror one? >> yes, sir. >> juror 2. >> yes, sir. >> juror 3. >> yes. >> juror 4, yes. >> 5. >> yes. >> juror 6? >> yes. >> juror 7. >> yes. >> juror 8? >> yes. >> juror 9? >> yes. >> 10? >> yes. >> 11? >> yes. >> record the verdict. council waive further reading of the verdict? >> yes your honor? >> yes. >> ladies and gentlemen of the jury, i will now read to you final instructions upon discharge of jurors. you have completed your jury service on this case. on behalf of the

jury find the defendant, conrad robert murray, guilty of the crime of involuntary manslaughter, in violation of penal code section 192 subsection b alleged victim michael joseph jackson, alleged date of june 25th, 2009. >> now the jury deliberated less than 9 hours you see here dr. murray is being lead out of the courtroom he has been handcuffed he faces up to four years in prison he could also lose his medical license michael jackson died june 25th, 2009 prosecutors proved he was negligent in the care of michael jackson causing his death everything centered around this very highly powerful drug known as propofol which most medical experts say is almost never given outside of a hospital setting, but in this instance, dr. murray was criticized by prosecutors and by expert testimony, for leaving michael jackson's side the defense trying to say michael jackson administered the propofol to himself that was up for debate outside the courtroom hundreds of fans, gathered and cheered when the verdict was announced the date of sentencing has not been determined we will bring you that that will obviously be another part of this case. michael jackson 's family his mothe

conrad murray, guilty of the crime of involuntary manslaughter in violation of section 192, subsection b, alleged victim, michael joseph jackson. alleged date of june 25, 2009. as charged in count one of the information. this 7th day of november, 2011. is this your verdict? is this your individual and personal verdict? so say you one, so say you all? (inaudible). >> ladies and gentleman i am going to ask you, whether this is your individual and personal verdict. i will be asking you, individually, if this is correct. if it is your individual and personal verdict, say yes. if it is not your individual and personal verdict, say no. is this your individual and personal verdict, juror one. >> yes. >> juror two. >> yes. >> juror three? >> yes. >> juror four? >> yes. >> juror five? >> yes. >> juror six? >> yes. >> juror seven? >> yes. >> juror eight? >> yes. >> juror nine? >> yes. >> juror ten? >> yes. >> jury -- juror 11? >> yes. >> juror twelve? >> yes. >> do counsel waive further reading? >> yes. >> ladies and gentleman of the jury, i now will read to you final instructions upon discharge of the jury. you now have complet

action find the defendant, conrad robert murray, guilty of the crime of involuntary manslaughter in violation of peenal code section 192, subsection b. alleged victim, michael joseph jackson. alleged date of june 25th, 2009. as charged in count one of the information. this 7th day of november, 2011, foreperson juror id number 145, seat number 3. is this your verdict? is this your individual and personal verdict, so say you one, so say you all? >> yes. >> all jurors indicating the affirmative. ladies and gentlemen, i'm going to ask you whether this is your individual and personal verdict. i'm going to be asking you individually if this is correct. if it is your individual and personal verdict, say yes. >> so the judge is getting ready to poll the jurors, but there we have heard it. it is guilty of involuntary manslaughter. we're told that was la toya jackson that we heard screaming, shouting out, as the verdict was read. i want to bring in dan abrams, our legal analyst, right now. you heard the verdict. it is guilty. what does this mean in terms of the future now of conrad murray? >> well, he could face up to four years in prison now. but i don't think anyone expec

conrad robert murray guilty of the crime of involuntary manslaughter. in violation of penal code section 192 subsection b. alleged victim, michael joseph jackson. >> as you can sigh, there he sat stoically as the verdict was refld he was then handcuffed. they denied his request for bail pending sentencing. >> dr. murray is remanded to the custody of the los angeles sheriff with no bail. and in the interim, he is to be kept in the care and custody of the sheriff. >> also tonight, a chicago woman accuses republican presidential candidate herman cain of an unwanted sexual advance. sharon said she came to washington to ask cain for help finding a job. she said he first shock her by upgrading her hotel room to a suite and then she says, he shocked her again. >> he suddenly reached over and he put his hand on my leg. under my skirt and reached for my genitals. he also grabbed my head and brought it toward his crotch. >> bialek said she wants just one thing from mr. cain. >> to come clean. just admit what you did. admit you were inappropriate to people. >> the cain campaign said it never happened but the statement tonight does not answer whet

conrad robert murray, guilty of the crime of involuntary manslaughter. in violation of penal code section 192 subsection b. alleged victim, michael joseph jackson, alleged date of june 25, 2009. as charged in count one of the information. the 7th day of november, 2011, forperson juror id number 145 seat number three. is this your verdict? is this your individual and personal verdict, so say you one, so say you all? >> all jurors indicate in the affirmative. ladies and gentlemen, i'm going to ask you whether this is your individual and personal verdict. i'm going to be asking you individually if this is correct. if it is your individual and personal verdict, say yes. if it is not your individual and personal verdict, say no. is this your individual and personal verdict, juror one? >> yes, sir. juror two? >> es. >> juror three? >> yes. >> juror four? >> yes, sir. >> juror five? >> yes. >> juror six? >> yes. >> juror seven? >> yes. >> juror eight? >> yes. >> juror nine? >> yes. >> juror ten in. >> yes, sir. >> juror number 11. >> yes. >> juror 12? >> yes, sir. >> all jurors having indicated the affirmative, the court check is directed to r

action, find the defendant, conrad robert murray, guilty of the crime of involuntary manslaughter in violation of penal code section 192 subsection b. alleged victim michael joseph jackson. >> as you just saw, dr. murray showing no emotion as the verdict was read, but outside the courthouse jackson fans erupted. throughout the trial jackson supporters have gathered outside the building offering words of encouragement to the jackson family. today latoya thanked them. her joy at the verdict unmistakable. >> michael loves everybody out here. we all love them. and guess what? he was in that courtroom, and that's why victory was served. >> jermaine jackson spoke briefly as he left the courthouse. >> justice was served, yes. it wasn't enough time, though. >> what do you say for michael? >> michael's with us. michael's with us. >> jackson's mother and father, joe and katherine, were cheered as they made their way through the crowd. this is the verdict the jacksons were hoping for. but prosecutor david walgren said that many people must have been thinks for the jacksons today, the verdict isn't an end to the story. >> our sympathies go out to the jackson family at this

action find the defendant, conrad robert murray, guilty of the crime of involuntary manslaughter, in violation of penal code section 192, subsection "b." alleged victim, michael joseph jackson, alleged date of june 25th, 2009, as charged in count one of the information, this 7th day of november, 2011. foreperson juror i.d. number 145, seat number three. is this your verdict? is this your individual and personal verdict? so say you one, so say you all? >> yes. >> all jurors indicate in the affirmative. ladies and gentlemen, i'm going to ask you, whether this is your individual and personal verdict. i'm going to be asking you individually if this is correct. if it is your individual and personal verdict, say yes. if it is not your individual and personal verdict, say no. is this your individual and personal verdict, juror one? >> yes, sir. >> juror two? >> yes, sir. >> juror three? >> yes. >> juror four? >> yes, sir. >> juror five? >> yes. >> juror six? >> yes. >> juror seven? >> yes. >> juror eight? >> yes. >> juror nine? >> yes. >> juror ten? >> yes, sir. >> juror number 11? >> yes. >> juror 12? >> yes, sir. >> all jurors have indicated in the affirmative, the court