joseph conrad, he summed up his task in this way. he said my task is to bring you to feel. and above all, to make you see, to see the meaning of life. it goes on and says my stories are concerned with nothing less than the whole point of living. >> right. >> the whole point of living. >> that is serious art. >> that's serious. so the serious screen play writer, the serious novelist, they're intent upon intensifying our capacity to feel. but to feel what it is that we truly hunger for, thirst for, what it is we long for, hope for. they're intent upon deepening our capacity to see, to see what makes life worth living, to see what makes life fully human and leads to authentic happiness. >> that's interesting in that i have mentioned the word evangelize and we think of that as giving a religious message to someone you can accept or reject. what you are talking about is whether conrad is a catholic or not or whether any artist is, a serious deep human humane artist is trying to get us to see, trying to get us to feel. >> yes. >> not to adopt a position about something, maybe not