so tell us about joseph heller, the guy's guy, the man's man. >> well, we didn't go to girly clubs together or anything. valerie heller, his widow, is in the audience, so -- but i didn't want just say that for her benefit. [laughter] we our coming together was odd for one reason, i reviewed for the new yorker the sequel called "closing time" which is sort of a mad jumble of a novel, and it's yo, and aria -- yosarian 40-odd years later. and it was -- i couldn't resist in the opening sentence quoting the old line that sequels respect necessarily equals. it was, i wrote a respectful review because i'm a great admirer of "catch-22," but it wasn't all that admiring, and i was surprised when about a week later a letter arrived, and i looked at the upper corner it said joe heller. i thought, oh, my god. i actually delayed opening it for a few hours. gotta open it, it's from joe heller. and it's one of the sweetest letters that i've ever had. and it said i think you understand my book more than i did, and my wire was in tears, so how could i not write back? remember the fax machine? i'm very glad t