i for one will not our guest tonight is joseph hickman. joe hickman spent most of his life in the military 1st as a marine. and then as a soldier in both the army and the national guard, he's deployed on several military operations around the world, sometimes attached to foreign militaries, the recipient of more than 20 commendations and metals. pittman was awarded the army achievement metal and the army commendation metal. while he was stationed at one tunnel, jo, welcome to the show. how did you hear john? thanks for joining us, joe. i want to cut directly to the revelations that you made, joe, the events leading up to it are somewhat typical of national security whistleblowers in that you were just a guy doing his job. and then one night, something terrible happened. it involves the deaths of 3 prisoners, all on the same night at one tunnel. tell us what happened? well then i was june, 9 to 6. i was on sergeant the guard sergeant charges watch a different operation. those in camp america give american one time. now, how is the genes? th

our guest today is joseph hickman. joe hickman spent most of his life in the military 1st as the marine and then as a soldier in both the army and the national guard. he is deployed on several military operations throughout the world, sometimes attached to foreign militaries, the recipient of more than 20 commendations and awards. joe hickman was awarded the army chief met metal and the army commendation metal. while he was stationed at guantanamo bay, he's also the author of the book, the burn pits, joe, welcome back to the show. thanks john. joe, the problem of burn pit seems to be patently obvious. everybody knows that you can't burn plastic. everybody knows that you can't burn rubber or medical waste out in an open field. everybody knows you can't mix chemicals and equipment and food and just set it all on fire. how did this stupid policy begin in the 1st place? i began in the beginning, you remember and trash and military years, decades during the war we birch. but we really started to realize something's wrong .

s. military prison at guantanamo, thanks to people like joseph hickman and brandon neely. we know of some of the atrocities that have taken place there in the name of us security policy. thanks to the attorneys representing guantanamo detainees. we know about the utter lack of due process, about torture and degrading an inhumane treatment that continues to take place there. but much of what we knew in the earlier part of guantanamo was, existence was fragmentary. our next guest changed all that using his background as a researcher and an investigative journalist, he sought to document what happened to every single prisoner who passed through guantanamo, as well as those who will likely spend the rest of their lives there. and beyond that, he has cultivated sources outside of guantanamo that have allowed him to report on us covert action operations and capture and render people around the world who in the end have never been charged with a crime. andy worthington joins us today. andy is a british historian, author investigative journalist and filmmaker, he's the author of t