joining me now, former army captain joseph kearns goodwin and his mom, presidential historian, doris , back with us. welcome to both of you. this gets a lot more personal, right, doris? well, joe, it is great to have you here. >> thank you. >> as we talk about ten years after 9/11, i wanted to talk about what that day meant and what actually happened on that day for you in the days that followed it. >> sure. well, i was sort of planning, graduated college, getting ready to work at a political consultant in washington, had some talk of going into the army, never took it seriously. after september 11th, i realized my world was changed, as it was for a lot of people. i saw my mom and said i guess i know what i am doing. she said you're not joining the army, right? and actually it was the opposite. i went down, signed the paperwork what i thought was three years, ended up being six, a lifelong lesson in reading fine print. that being said, turned out to be an incredible experience. >> i know you're here as a veteran and as a mere representative of so many others that served and volunteere

joining me now, bronze star veteran of the wars in iraq and afghanistan, former army captain joseph kearns goodwinresidential historian doris kearns goodwin, who is back with us. welcome to both of you. this gets a lot more personal, right, doris? the big issues. well, joe, it's great to have you here. >> thank you. >> and as we talk about ten years after 9/11, i wanted to talk about what that day meant and what actually happened on that day for you and the days that followed it. >> sure. well, i was, i graduated college in the spring of '01, was getting ready to work for a political cultancy in washington, around here. and i sort of thought about going into the army but never took it seriously. then after september 11th, i noticed my world sort of inexorably changed, as for a lot of people. and i went to my mom and said i know what i'm doing now. and she said, yeah, you're not joining the army. but i said actually, the opposite. i signed up for what i thought was three years, but what was actually six. a lesson in reading the fine print, but that said, it turned out to be an incredible experience

joining me now, bronze star veteran of the wrs in iraq and afghanistan, former army captain joseph kearns goodwinand his mom, presidential historian doris kearns goodwin, who is back with us. welcome to both of you. this gets a t more personal, right, doris? the big issues. well, joe, it's great to have you here. >> thank you. >> and as we talk about ten years after9/11, i wanted to talk about what that day meant and what actually happened on that day for you and the days that followed it. >> sure. well, i was i graduated college in the spring of '01, was getting ready to work for a political cultancy in washiton, around here. and i sortf thought about going into the army but never took it seriously. then after september 11th, i noticed my world sort of inexorably changed, as for a lot of people. and i went to my mom and said i know what i'm doing now. and she said, yeah, yore not ining the army. but i said actually, the opposite. i signed up for what i thought was three years, but what was actually six. a lesson in reading the fine print, but that said, it turned out to be an incredible experien