we know that because that individual, joseph mcgwire, mass appeared before the house intelligence committeelast week. so this is further checking of s whistleblowers complaat is driving this whe process. >> marisa, joseph mcgwire didn't find it necessarily all that credible, though, did he >> no, and i think this speak tox the different ways that different members of the administraon are trying to spin this versus the way the democrats view it. what i would say is that every single piece of evidence that has come out since adam schiff first stood up and madeanthe cryptic message about this hawhistleblower complain played into democratic hands, not republicans. the text messages are very ex- applies it in terms of the concern being raised within the administration, and their sens that maybe the words quid pro quo was not used, but that there was basic lay sense that and so i think that whatever has to be taken in the context of everyting else, as we as the other state department officials, including mike back almost as hard as his it boss, president trump. >> there seems somewhat of a sense