community had -- not one, they were mostly neurologist, a couple of transplant people including joseph murray who won the nobel prize, and they came out and said brain death is exactly the same as heart and lung death but they had no cardiologists to tell them that. they didn't let any cardiologists on the committee nor did they have any pulmonologist. they had no one who is an expert of either heart or lung to say oh yeses exactly the same because i don't think they believe that. they set up rigorous tests that they have now been a handing. the new test which is sort of -- it's rearranging deaths on the titanic. >> host: this academy of neurology, we can take it out of the round of the abstract and take it into the ultimate empirical dimension, which is has any patient who has ever been declared brain dead by the american academy of neurology standards, which are similar to what you have mentioned, without the eeg, have any of them ever weighed in and it is 2010 report, they actually come is called evidence-based guidelines, an update on determining brain death. and the objective of this rep

not one -- there were mostly neurologists, a couple of transplant people including joseph murray who won the nobel prize for transplant, and they came out and said that brain death is exactly the same as heart-lung death. but they had no cardiologists to tell them that. they didn't let any cardiologists on the committee, nor did they have any pull nonologist. they had no one to say, oh, yeah, this is exactly the same. because i don't think they believe that. and can they set up rigorous tests that they have now been abandoning. the new tests are just -- kind of like rearranging deck chairs on the titanic. >> host: let me just read -- >> guest: go ahead. >> host: -- one thing from the academy of neurology because we can take it out of the realm of the abstract and what, and take it into the ultimate empirical dimension which is does anybody, has any patient who's ever been declared brain dead by the american academy of neurology standards which are similar to the ones you've mentioned without the eeg, has any of them ever awakened? and in this 2010 report, they actually, it's called e