joining me now to discuss the problems in washington state i"" seattle times" reporter joseph o'sullivan. so we're all paying attention to the $100,000-a-day fine. that seems like sticker shock to a viewer or audience member but this has been a long time coming. how did we get here? >> so the washington state constitution says expressly that education is the quote, unquote, paramount duty of the state to provide for. a family sued the state, along with some school stricts and teachers unions saying that the state was underfunding. and it made its way to the supreme court which in 1212 agreed saying the state was unconstitutionally underfunding the school system. so the court imposed a 2018 deadline for the state to come up with more funding and fix some specific problems. >> sreenivasan: so here we are now, the courts-- the judges basically say they're completely dissatisfied. they're slapping this significant fine on them, but it doesn't seem to have caused the type of deterrent we think. in your reporting, you say some of the legislators say let's keep racking up the fines until januar