joining me now to discuss is joseph osmundson, a micro biologist, queer activist, and the author of virologyhe timeline of the monkeypox outbreak here in the united states? and did the public health officials know this would be a problem, and when did the bungling begin? >> the bungling began at the first few cases that we found. you know, it is first principle in epidemiology, that if you are collecting cases for a disease that are not epidemiologically linked to one another, you are not collecting all of the cases that are out there. and so, there was this notion in the federal government that we don't really need to get testing up, and we are not seeing that many cases. but what activists were saying, these cases aren't linked to one another. we have no concept of the scale of this outbreak. and therefore, we need to scale vaccines and tests immediately. and there was at least a six-week delay on testing. and vaccines didn't move for a month after that, even as new york city celebrated pride that june. vaccines or not ordered until the weekend of pride to be shipped from denmark. >> what

joseph osmundson, thank you so much.t everyone eventually. >> it will affect everyone, indeed. thank you, joe. >>> and a quick programming note for you. sunday, "the culture is" includes a dinner party with latina trailblazers and an exclusive interview with actress rosie perez. here's actress gena torres on the challenge of being afro-latina in hollywood. >> jena, you were forced to embrace one identity in hollywood? >> i felt like i was living in three worlds. there was my world i grew up in, spanish-speaking home, cuban parents, and you go out into the world and i'm speaking english and i'm in the bronx, south bronx. that's right! and then going into this industry, as an actress, then nobody recognizes you as either one. there was no place for me as a latina, and then as a black woman, i didn't identify as a black woman, because for me, it was -- it was cultural. >> right. >> because, of course, i present black, i am a black woman. i am also cuban. when you're here in the united states and they ask you to be in a box