it's joseph welch, the army's counsel, legal counsel. c-span: it's hard to see in this photograph here, but he is which one in this picture? >> guest: he's the one on the right, with his hand to his chin. c-span: and he was the counsel for... >> guest: the army, in their... c-span: the united states army. >> guest: united states army. c-span: what year? >> guest: this is 1954, during the famous army-mccarthy hearings. a lot of people have a misunderstanding--misconception about the army-mccarthy hearings. they assume that it was mccarthy investigating the army that was being televised here for the nation to see. in fact, it was mccarthy who was in the hot seat. it was mccarthy who was the accused, of allowing his staff members, including roy cohn, to blackmail the army by threatening investigations in order to get david schine his special treatment as--as a new draftee into the army. c-span: you say there was tears by joe welch, joseph welch, after the hearing was over, and you're--you're suspicious. >> guest: well, it's an interesting s