for more of the story let's bring in journalist josephine mckenna rome correspondent and brussels max let me start with you how likely is it that italy will have to pay these fights. well chris you just said that the member states are will have to decide on whether they back the report then they could start a long disciplinary process that it's intended to bring the spending back down but this procedure has been used many many times in the last decade and so far no country has ever had to pay the fine so if the italians step up their game they might be able to avoid the fine now we have to keep in mind that italy and the e.u. commission have been at loggerheads for months josephine in rome how is this news gone down in rome where the governing coalition seems shaky as it is. well that's right this was a very scathing assessment of the italian economy and both the leader is of the league mattel sylvania and the movement luigi to have reacted already. with the hang with serious people this is a serious country we want to cooperate but you're not going to touch our pensions mattel's salv