so interesting stuff. >> yeah. >> another reading, tell us about josephine skyler and her very tumultuous, very telenovella relationship with her husband. >> so i am going to talk about josephine, and the biographer of josephine's daughters is with us, so, kathy, if you want to chime in, please do so because it's a great honor to have you here. josephine skyler has emerged, i think, as the star of in this book. she seems to be the character who is speaking to most people. and for me she was a very important character because she speaks to all of the ways white women tried to be part of black harlem. she was a writer, she was an editor, she was a hostess, she was a patron, she was a tiny bit of a philanthropist, although they did not have very much money. she was a lover, she was a wife, and she was a mother. she was born in gran berry, texas, to a family of enormous wealth. and at 17 she ran away first marrying a traveling salesman, he was a cereal salesman -- ceil car being a new invention at the time -- and then running away to san francisco to become a nude artist model. after she did