josh campbell is with me now. thanks very much for taking the time. thanks for telling your story to us and to the american people. >> thanks, jim. >> as i read this piece, it's clearly a heartfelt piece. i want for the sake of the audience who might not have read it, i'll quote one of the lines. "fbi agents are dogged people who do not care about the direction of political winds but to succeed in their work they need public backing. scorched earth attacks from politicians with partisan goals now threaten that support, raising corrosive doubts about the integrity of the fbi that could last for generations." that's remarkable. you're talking about shaking the core of the american people's confidence, really, in the fbi. >> it is. and it's something that even if there isn't immediate result that we're seeing right in front of our face, it is something that threatens our ability to do our job in the long-term. what i mean by that is the fbi cannot do its job without public trust. whether it's an agent knocking on someone's door, whether it's recruiting,

josh campbell is with me, former fbi. bout this driver ramming through maybe not on grounds but on the perfectivery of the white house, tell me what secret service did instantly. >> well, any time you hear the white house, that obviously is going to cause everyone to take concern. i think we have to understand in this situation that the white house is a compound that has layers and layers and layers of security and men and women of the secret service, the uniformed and not in uniform agents that are there, they are among the most professional in the world. if you look at that intersection where it took place -- obviously there are a lot of questions we don't yet have answered. e street heading into the compound is a one-way street that takes you toward the white house. there's some details that we still need to figure out, was it someone traveling down that street and missed the turn and popped up on the curb and hit it? i didn't notice secret service since ryan's report there has posted another tweet saying that the femal

joining us from los angeles, cnn law enforcement josh campbell. rom these emergency calls? >> wolf, it's another layer of heartbreak for the victims of family members that went through this senseless tragedy. i think they continue to be revictimized every time we learn a new detail, a new clue that could have possibly helped stop this. you interviewed a short time ago one of the students who lived in, alfonso, and i think he lived out some of the mistakes better than i can. talking about the tips that came in to law enforcement, talking about the weapons. i think as we see the pattern being put together by the latest calls, it's clear we failed these kids and we have to do better. >> absolutely right. i have to learn a lot of lessons from this so it doesn't happen again. josh campbell, thanks. >>> at president trump gets ready to hold a joint news conference, his former campaign adviser is about to flip in the russia investigation and cooperate with the special counsel robert mueller. he just walked in to court. we'll go there. stay with us. but on

what's different about josh campbell is he's only been an agent for 12 years.sounds like a long time, but fbi agents usually wait 20, 25 years before leaving and their career spans much longer. he has a very interesting perspective in that he was here in washington, d.c. for some time, he worked directly for the former fbi director james comey. all of this he explained in the op-ed that he wrote. he really has lived through this last year and a half since the firing of comey, since the president was elected, since these attacks started, and so he felt like enough was enough and that he really wanted to come out and speak and start defending the bureau, the agency that he worked for. and, you know, he is not alone in this. privately you talk to people, there is concern for what this means for the future. you don't get fbi agents who spend their entire life trying to become fbi agents leave. so this is very different. he does have a different perspective, but he's not alone in this. i'm not saying this is widespread, but certainly he's not alone in these feelings

josh campbell, really appreciate your perspective. i want to bring in white house reporter kaitlyn collins now. we just watched a very interesting white house briefing. there had been some question about where the president stood on what seemed to be his support of increasing the age limit for purchasing an ar-15 style rifle. it seemed as if he had backed off on that. we heard from the press secretary. no, he says he's standing firm on that. there are a lot of other policies. we don't know exactly where the white house is on them. >> yeah, brianna. sarah sanders did just explicitly say that the president does still support raising the minimum age to buy certain firearms from 18 to 21. and that answer today very explicit there, comes after it was very vague yesterday whether or not the president still support this had policy and after several mixed answers with deputy press secretaries last night and today. the press is now saying that the president does still support that. you might wonder why the white house has to support that the p

let's get more from josh campbell.wo hours after former trump campaign aide rick gates pleaded guilty, the special counsel unveiled new charges against paul manafort. what's mueller's strategy here? >> in one word. pressure. this is the ultimate stress test. we can guarantee mueller will use every tool in the tool box to work his way up the chain and determine if there is criminal activity. it's interesting. those of us who know bob mueller. worked with him. we know he's determined. he's fair. but he's not going let someone lie. that's been his currency. at the end of the day, hi focus is on the rule of law. interesting at in gates' statement today he indicated the consequences, public humiliation, hate to break it to mr. gates, i think the consequences are going to be far greater than simple humiliation. >> gates is the third trump campaign official to cooperate. first george. a papadopoulos. and then michael flynn. how useful are they to robert mueller? >> they're very useful. there's still so much mueller knows that

i want to bring in cnn law enforcement analyst josh campbell here. sh, again, i have to say i'm flabbergasted by this statement. shimon is right, i give the fbi credit with coming clean with what happened here, but on january 5 to the fbi public access line which is where you're supposed to call when you see something. this is where you say something. someone said something and said everything, and protocols were not followed here. how could that happen, josh? >> that's a good question and that is something that will no doubt be part of an exhaustive investigation. sitting here as a former fbi agent, you get the sinking feeling, and you multiply that by times not only the viewers here that are watching but also, you know, the men and women of the fbi. these types of situations, again, as i said, this is the nightmare where you look back and identify that there were perhaps information in your holdings that could have saved lives. i mean, it is a nightmare scenario. any type of investigation such as this where you have a high-profile incident that's ha

josh campbell is his name.ites quote i'm turning in an my badge and leafing an organization i love. so i can join the growing chorus of people who believe that the relentless -- for political gain. is impossible. josh campbell joins nous. a cnn law enforcement analyze. you called the day you walked across the stage and got your badge one of the greatest honors of your life. if that's the case why resign? >> it's a good question. i'll say it at the out set that i believe that the rank and file the men and women of the fbi deserve the political attacks to stop. we look within the organization at people trying to do their job every day, they see the attacks and it's puzzling. it's curious. sometimes it's infuriating. i'm a vessel for the dismay. some of the criticism that we heard from within that threatens our public image and ability to do our job. i didn't think i could speak out like i'm doing now. in order to call for an end to the political attacks. if i was still inside the fbi. what i mean by that is no on

cnn law enforcement analyst and former fbi supervisory special agent josh campbell.see you, sir. >> hey, chris. good to be with you. >> let's do this a little sew kraticily. it's not the white house's problem, it's on you guys. you're slow and inefficient. that's why there's a backlog with people like jared kushner and rob porter. it's your process. you're not getting it done. that's why they don't have full security clearance? >> let's break it down. first the slow and then we'll get to the inefficient. in the run-up to the administration, it's not like they're sitting around waiting for -- to finish one until they get to the next. the slow i don't buy. the inefficient is the same way. they pour resources into this process. remember, at the end of the day, it's not up to the fbi to grant a security clearance. i want to say for the good of the viewers, they understand the fbi is the investigative arm, conduct the background investigation, hand it over to the white house or wherever the client agency might happen to be. that agency makes a final determination on wheth

out front now is josh campbell.ler clear about her fears here and apparently multiple warning signs coming from multiple directions how does this slip through the cracks? >> has to be a subject of a very extensive review. this is what we ask the public to do. what happens in this situation, information is taken into the tip line. does it have merit or is it clearly not something that we need to look at. and that system broke down. it should have made it to the miami field office where additional steps should have been followed up. the bureau's heart is just breaking particularly those in miami. >> i just talked to a little girl who survived she said she feels let down. i have to ask you legally, just so folks at home understand, let's say you get a warning and you do take it seriously. what should have the fbi told the field office? what are the options? >> we simply don't know. it is hard to look at it in the abstract. they have to discern what is specific and what is credible. it appears to be specific in credible

i want to go back to a memo, an op-ed written by josh campbell, former fbi agent. rewrote, i'm reluctantly turning in my badge and leaving an organization i love. why? so i can join a chorus of people who believe the relentless attacks on the bureau not just undermine the premier law enforcement agency but also the nation's security. what is your reaction to this, chuck? do you think we are going to see more people in the bureau resign in protest to the way josh campbell has? . >> i don't. i know josh. but let me say this, and i don't mean it disrespectfully to josh. the folks at the fb i believe strongly in the institution and the mission. and you can leave and try and help or you can stay and try and help. and the men and women that i know are staying and trying to help. they are there for the very same reason they first joined. because the fbi is there for the public good. so again, no disrespect to josh. he is a fine fellow. he has his own reasons and he articulated them well in the "new york times." but the folks i know are staying and helping. >> in the inves

is not the only intelligence official who's joined the ranks of mainstream media we also have josh campbell who resigned from the f.b.i. and joined c.n.n. as a law enforcement analyst he's yet to make his first appearance on the network but before he does here's an excerpt from his latest new york times op ed defending his former employee these political attacks on the bureau must stop these critics of the agency persuade the public that the f.b.i. cannot be trusted they will also have succeeded in making our nation less safe it's not hard to guess what campbell will say on c.n.n. regarding the nunez memo which accuse the f.b.i. of bias and just a little reminder he was also james komi special assistant the same komi who's accused of wrongdoing in the memo but of course campbell and brennan aren't the first to make the switch there is an absolute leftist bias in the country most of the networks if you just add up for example the time that they speak negatively about the president it's about ninety percent of the time and there are numerous studies that show this where for example president

josh campbell, former fbi, joins me now. josh, let's talk a little bit about what the fbi -- the presence on scene, what they're able to do, how they're able to help. >> just keep in mind with the fbi responding, they are one agency and many that are going to work on this incident. any type of active shooter situation, you're going to see that surge of law enforcement officers from various departments. you're going to see mutual aid officers coming in from neighboring departments to provide that kind of assistance. this is something you would typically see, especially in an emergent situation where you have potentially multiple casualtyies, that you're going o have a large number of resources on scene. obviously, these numbers look terrible that we've been seeing from early reports. but you can expect to see more in law enforcement arrive. you will also see a unified command. you remember back to san bernardino or a number of unfortunate active shooter scenes we've seen, the first focus is on stopping the threat. they'll get

is not the only intelligence official who's joined the ranks of mainstream media we also have josh campbell who resigned from the f.b.i. and joined c.n.n. as a law enforcement analyst he's yet to make his first appearance on the network but before he does here's an excerpt from his latest new york times op ed defending his former employee these political attacks on the bureau must stop those critics of agency persuade the public that the f.b.i. cannot be trusted they will also have succeeded in making our nation less safe it's not hard to guess what campbell will say on c.n.n. regarding the nunez memo which accuse the f.b.i. of bias and just a little reminder he was also james komi special assistant the same komi who is accused of wrongdoing in the memo but of course campbell and brennan are the first to make the switch there is an absolute leftist bias in the country most of the networks if you just add up for example the time that they speak negatively about the president is about ninety percent of the time and there are numerous studies that show this where for example president obama he

. >> josh campbell, you just resigned from the fbi. the white house has released a letter signed by fbi director wray and deputy attorney general rosenstein, which the white house counsel says supports the president's decision not to release the memo. does that give this decision more credibility? >> well, so i think we have to look to what our colleague jim acosta was reporting as far as the political considerations. obviously great analysis there from jeff on the political side. let me talk about the national security implications. i have not been a fan of either memo being released for this reason. this is not the type of issue that you want to litigate in public. i've worked on fisas. i no there is very sensitive information that goes into them. i understand the implications of releasing this type of information. what i'm a -- chairman mike rogers, the proper venue for these discussions and this debate is the fisa court in a classified proceeding. where the harmed party the fisa court it's being alleged that the fbi did something w

is not the only intelligence official who's joined the ranks of mainstream media we also have josh campbell who resigned from the f.b.i. and joined c.n.n. as a law enforcement analyst he's yet to make his first appearance on the network but before he does here's an excerpt from his latest new york times op ed defending his former employee these political attacks on the bureau must stop those critics of agency persuade the public that the f.b.i. cannot be trusted they will also have succeeded in making our nation less safe it's not hard to guess what campbell will say on c.n.n. regarding the nunez memo which accuse the f.b.i. of bias and just a little reminder he was also james komi special assistant the same komi who is accused of wrongdoing in the memo but of course campbell and brennan are the first to make the switch there is an absolute leftist bias in the country most of the networks if you just add up for example the time that they speak negatively about the president is about ninety percent of the time and there are numerous studies that show this where for example president obama he

is not the only intelligence official who's joined the ranks of mainstream media we also have josh campbell who resigned from the f.b.i. and joint fee and then as a law enforcement analyst he's yet to make his first appearance on the network but before he does here's an excerpt from his latest new york times op ed defending his former employee these political attacks on the bureau must stop those critics of the agency persuade the public that the f.b.i. cannot be trusted they will also have succeeded in making our nation less safe it's not hard to guess what campbell will say on c.n.n. regarding the nunez memo which accuse the f.b.i. of bias and just a little reminder he was also james komi special assistant the same komi who's accused of wrongdoing in the memo but of course campbell and brennan aren't the first to make the switch there is an absolute leftist bias in the country most of the networks if you just add up for example the time that they speak negatively about the president it's about ninety percent of the time and there are numerous studies that show this where for example presi

is not the only intelligence official who's joined the ranks of mainstream media we also have josh campbell who resigned from the f.b.i. and joint c.n.n. as a law enforcement analyst he's yet to make his first appearance on the network but before he does here's an excerpt from his latest new york times op ed defending his former employee these political attacks on the bureau must stop those critics of the agency persuade the public the f.b.i. cannot be trusted they will also have succeeded in making our nation less safe it's not hard to guess what campbell will say on c.n.n. regarding the nunez memo which accuse the f.b.i. of bias and just a little reminder he was also james komi special assistant the same komi who's accused of wrongdoing in the memo but of course campbell and brennan aren't the first to make the switch there is an absolute leftist bias in the country most of the networks if you just add up for example the time that they speak negatively about the president it's about ninety percent of the time and there are numerous studies that show this where for example president obama

there is an op ed written by josh campbell, a former fbi official.r more than a decade of including rescuing idnapping victims overseas, reluctantly am turning in my baggage. -- batch. the growing people believe that the relentless attacks on the bureau undermine america's law enforcement agency and the nation's security. my resignation is painful. the alternative of remaining quiet is impossible. fbiassumption amongst employees is that the attacks are meant to soften the blow of the investigation of mr. mueller. these types of attacks by powerful people could destroy the institution. what is your reaction? >> he makes a lot of serious, heartfelt points. i am glad he explained it. your viewers know this because they are quite current on all of the news. it is good to take a step back for a moment. president trump is new to washington. spent his career studying the in's and out's of the relationships between the justice department and the fbi and the white house. he was elected because he was authorized.on -- on he thinks there is a which had -- which

is not the only intelligence official who's joined the ranks of mainstream media we also have josh campbell who resigned from the f.b.i. and joined c.n.n. as a law enforcement analyst he's yet to make his first appearance on the network but before he does here's an excerpt from his latest new york times op ed defending his former employee these political attacks on the bureau must stop those critics of agency persuade the public that the f.b.i. cannot be trusted they will also have succeeded in making our nation less safe it's not hard to guess what campbell will say on c.n.n. regarding the nunez memo which accuse the f.b.i. of bias and just a little reminder he was also james komi special assistant the same komi who is accused of wrongdoing in the memo but of course campbell and brennan are the first to make the switch there is an absolute leftist bias in the country most of the networks if you just add up for example the time that they speak negatively about the president is about ninety percent of the time and there are numerous studies that show this where for example president obama he

josh campbell writes fbi agents are doigged people who do not care about the political wins. to succeed, they need public backing. scorched partisan goals is threatening the support. this is raising doubts of the integrity of the fbi. >>> paul ryan deleting a weekend tweet touting the tax overhaul. some calling the leader out of touch with americans. a woman said she was surprised her pay went up $1.50 a week. she said that will cover her costco member for a year. that runs about $60 a year. after a severe backlash, ryan pulled the tweet. cnn requested a comment and we have not heard back. >> the tweet was to show how little it was and not how much it was. it highlights the billions of dollars the companies get. >>> time for an early start on your money. asian stocks picking up where wall street left off. ha heng seng down. friday's jobs report was strong. wall street with the worst day of the trump presidency. the dow down 666 points. that is 2.5%. the biggest decline since brexit in june of 2016. the steepest point decline since the financial crisis. the dow and s&p with th

josh campbell:"this is the nightmare where you look back and identify perhaps that perhaps information in your holdings that could have saved lives."on january 5th, a person close to nikolas cruz reported specific details about his guns and his intent to carry out a school shooting to the fbi ..information the bureau says should have been handled as a potential threat to life, but wasn't. nat sound: the fbi says protocols were not followed.josh campbell: "this is an organization of human beings, even some of the most advanced training in the world, there is absolutely no way to eliminate human error." in a statement, fbi director christopher wray writes graphic:"we have spoken with victims and families, and deeply regret the additional pain this causes all those affected by this horrific tragedy"the january tip is just the latest in a long line of red flags raised by neighbors, classmates and social media users. warnings that if acted upon, may have saved children.according to the county school superintendent, cruz was expelled from stoneman douglas high school last year. disciplinary

cnn law enforcement analyst josh campbell, josh is also a former supervisory special agent at the fbiis back. and chris cillizza back, cnn politics reporter and editor at large and nia malika henderson, cnn's senior political reporter is back. josh, you first, governor scott has an a-plus rating from the nra. the nra has not been on board with raising the age limit, but is there a feeling that the governor is likely to win support on all of the other proposals? >> well, i think what we're seeing are steps in the right direction. and in the wake of any tragic situation, it is incumbent upon our lawmakers and citizens to get together to determine what are we going to do to make sure these types of incidents don't happen again. i think what we're seeing here, i think the governor can be lauded, coming out with a plan, looking step by step, where were the weak spots, the school, law enforcement, mental health, and trying to fill the gaps. i think it is a step in the right direction. >> and, nia, the governor trying to address all of those things, whether the deficits and reaction from law

special agent josh campbell. yesterday the white house was blaming the fbi for all of this. today they took a different stance. they're blaming the white house personnel security office. does this add up? >> it's a good question. let me say that my job isn't to defend the fbi. it is to explain the fbi. the good, the bad and the ugly. i told my colleagues, if they mess up, i'll be the first to say this is something that needs to be corrected. i don't think the fbi is at fault and it is hard to say the white house security office was at fault because we don't know. the bureau was being blamed yesterday. today it is another entity. i think what we need is for a little transparency on behalf of those involved to say this is the process. this is what we knew. this is how we'll act moving forward. it is very confusing. >> i want to you listen to our viewers. this is the fbi director christopher wray. he gave a specific time line. this is a major portion of this hearing today. a specific time line about what the fbi knew about the security clearance issue for rob porter and when th

joining us, josh campbell, former fbi supervisory special agent. red flags might have led the special counsel to open this line of inquiry? >> i think it is yet to be seen, wolf. we've seen great reporting from our colleagues. it will be interesting to see how this new line of inquiry with kushner plays into the larger investigation. if you recall from the order from may 17th of 2017 where the deputy attorney general appointed the special counsel, he gave him charge of investigating any potential collusion or links or coordination between the russian government and trump campaign. there was also a second prong. any additional information derived from the investigation, a broad mandate. i can tell you in law enforcement when you conduct investigation, even if charged with looking at one crime, if during the course of that investigation you uncover additional information or crime, you don't simply ignore it. >> helps explain why paul manafort is in deep trouble, former trump campaign chairman. the president hasn't condemned russia since we learned de

joining me now, josh campbell who worked at the fbi for 12 years.ency now? and most importantly, is it affecting the attacks or affecting the fbi's ability to do its job well? >> that's a good question. i heard from some of my former colleagues over the week had were doing a little venting and their message was clear. that is that the fbi's mission is and always will be the protection of human life. that's not to say they can't simultaneously protect the united states from foreign intelligence service who's are seeking to do harm. they can do both. i think the main takeaway is that the fbi has to be held accountable for this issue with florida. they have to be. we have to get to the bottom of what happened. what i fear is when you combine that with the russia investigation, it becomes more political. ironically, i don't know if this was the intelligence of those criticizing it, but it takes the heat off the fbi. when you make it about politics, at least half the country will say, that's just politics. we don't to have pay attention. >> the ap report

. >> shannon: on february 3rd, fbi agent josh campbell dramatically outlined his route resignation inthe new york times" bring in titled, why i'm leaving the fbi, and so i can join the growing chorus of people who believe the relentless attacks on the bureau undermined not only america's premier law-enforcement agency but also the nation's security. my resignation is painful. but the alternative of remaining quiet while the bureau is tarnished for political gain is impossible. and today, a couple of .. in my badge and leaving an organization i love. he emerged from his self-imposed regulation as a cnn commentator. welcome, gentlemen. >> good evening. >> shannon: something interesting noted here. conservative review says nowhere in the article that it was -- campbell resents himself someone unattached to the political situation, leaving out the fact that he has a huge, vested interest in defending comey. doesn't matter? >> i will tell you how a look at it. imagine for a moment that tomorrow someone named jack marshall write something for the washington times and says i have left the be

josh campbell formally from the fbi. the fbi was told in september about the youtube post where the person said, i'm going to be a professional school shooter. the person whose youtube page was reported to fbi, they sat down with him, took an interview, and we heard today from the fbi, they ran the guy's name on data base and couldn't find anything. be honest. he posted that under his own name with the unusual spelling of his first name, and if there had been a real thorough investigation, there was a bounty of information saying he had problems. >> first, this is the nightmare scenario for law enforcement, an agency to realize there's information in their holdings that may have saved lives, it's the nightmare scenario. the fbi is looking through the action, trying to determine what happened, what can they do better, how did information flow? so that's the first part. second is, this shows there is a lack of fusing information in the country between law enforcement and mental health providers, those who are, you know, wo

i want to read you something a former colleague of yours, josh campbell, who just quit his job as a special agent at the fbi. what he wrote. these kinds of attacks by powerful people go beyond mere criticism. they could destroy the institution. it is the fbi agent on the street who will be most severely affected as public support for federal law enforcement is sacrificed. >> i think what the agent was talking about, when you're out on the street and you're trying to get people the cooperate and break large criminal organizations, or trying to get someone to defect because they belief it is the right thing to do and they're talking to an fbi agent. it is really important. when you open up those credentials, that credibility, all the credibility of the fbi that comes before you and you goes with it. if you take that tarnish off and you do it from the president of the united states, it will like have an impact. >> i wonder if you share those concerns. do americans respect the institution when they their president attack it so aggressively? >> yes, i do share the same concerns. especially with

about it in a "the new york times" op ed piece over the weekend and that former fbi special agent josh campbellnow. he's also cnn's new law enforcement analyst. welcome, josh. >> good morning, alisyn. >> why did you resign on friday? >> well, it was not an easy decision. in fact, it was a very difficult decision, but if you asked the men and women of the fbi what the last year and a half has been like i think to a person they would say either perplexing, sometimes angering when you see the political attacks on the fbi. i'm not talking about criticism. i want to make that point clear. criticism of the fbi is needed. we have to have oversight. we cannot police ourselves but what we've been concerned about are the political attacks, the attacks that go beyond process and more, you know, some other motive behind them and my concern was the long-term effects on the organization. now, i could not speak out now as i am to defend the bureau, to defend our people and to explain what it is we do if i was still in the fbi. nor would you want that. you wouldn't want an fbi agent in the organization anonymo

security analyst juliette kayyem, a former homeland security official and cnn law enforcement analyst josh campbell, a former fbi supervisory special agent. good evening to all of you. i don't want to second guess officers or people who responded here. because we -- we want to know exactly what happened. and we should wait for all the information to come out. but according to the sheriff and what has come out now, josh, the transcript of the call to the fbi in january is downright damning. the caller was worried nikolas cruz would get in a school and shoot it up. they said i know he is going to explode. how does this slip through the cracks. >> well this is heart breaking on so many different levels. and as my colleagues here panelists in the security sfree owe industry know very well be, one of the hardest things is after an event something that impacts people, results in loss of life maybe, the population will always look to government and say what could you have done to make sure this didn't happen? were there warning signs? is there something you could have done? the problem is in the security

cnn law enforcement analyst josh campbell, a former fbi supervisory special agent.ector and ceo of the miller center for public affairs at the university of virginia. good evening to both of you. thank you for coming on. bill, starting with you. you say rob porter is not just a political scandal but a national security scandal too. how so? >> well, the staff secretary at the white house is, in many cases, the final valve through which any information flows to the president. and that includes top secret code word security at times. that is code word intelligence and other analysis in the federal government. so you have to have a top secret clearance in order to handle that information. and what we typically know about these interim clearances is that they are not top secret. to get a top secret interim clearance requires a special waiver. and what we don't know is whether he had one of those or not. those special waivers are usually done only in emergency or national security crisis situations. so i think we need to find out, first of all, did he have such a waiver.

. >> my director will, will put up part of an op-ed by special agent josh campbell. sure you're familiar with it. a guy leading the agency saying because he loves his country and badge and all that. are you concerned about the morale within the fbi and more departures? >> i am concerned. look, imagine coming to work every single day and your ceo, right? the president is kind of the ceo over all of the executive branch. you're ceo showing evidence of not believing in you, attacking you every day. attacking your leadership. and ruining your perception in the public. of course i'm concerned about morale. and even more concerned about the effectiveness of the fbi every day displaying credentials in a kidnapping, bank robbery, they need informants and help and i'm worried that citizen will take a few seconds to process whether they should help or not. that's the real damage that's being done by the white house. >> all right. msnbc national security analyst, i appreciate our conversations. come back. see me soon. thank you. >> thanks. >>> they needed it to be true. up next

. >> josh campbell, you just resigned from the fbi. the white house released a letter signed. does that give this decision more credibility? >> well, so i think we have to look at what our colleague jim acosta was reporting as far as the political considerations. let me talk about the national security implications. i have not been a fan of either memo being released for this reason. this is not the type of issue you want to litigate in public. i worked on fisa, very sensitive information that goes into it. what i am a fan of is what our colleague mike rogers said, the proper venue is with the fisa court in a classified proceedings. that is a proper venue for having such discussions not going tit for tat different memos. >> once you have gone down the road releasing one memo which the fbi asked not to do and it was done anyway. the fbi made a rare public statement saying there were material omissions of fact. >> you are right. and i was not a fan of the gop memo. i think it was atrocious that you would release this kind of memo. as a former national security practitioner, i do

outfront now, josh campbell former fbi supervisory special agent, and also former fbi counter terrorismm, if i could begin with you. clearly, a stunning admission by the fbi. clearly fbi made a mistake here. how is this possible? i know you weren't on the inside for it. but a lot of judgment calls involved with this. you get tips, you folsom up, you don't follow others up. but as you look from the outside, can you figure out how this might happen? >> first, jim, let me say, i'm infuriated by it. i don't know how it happened. but likely it was somebody calling a tip line, calling into a fbi field office, and it may have been afield office in florida or could have been anywhere in the country. might have been at fbi head squat irs. call comes in. typically a duty agent answers. i don't know if they did the wrong paperwork, supervisor in their office so it could go to miami division. so a lot of different ways fallen through the cracks. but people need to be held responsibility bly by the new director. director wray only in there a short period of time. and they have not put their technica

josh campbell, who used to work at the fbi and is now working here, said i spent my whole life tryingprotect american secrets, and here is this guy working in the oval office potentially undermining all of that. >> you were the spokesman at the pentagon, you were the spokesman at the state department, you're a retired career admiral. if they give you information to brief reporters and the american public on what is clearly incorrect, you go out there and brief them, then you discover it's incorrect. sarah sanders said yesterday the white house had not received any specific papers regarding the completion of the background check. that was incorrect. she is about to appear in the next hour or so before reporters once again. does she come out -- if it were you and you were given bad information by your bosses and you uttered those words, would you apologize? would you try and correct it? would you say, i made a mistake, they gave me bad information. how do you handle that if you're sara sanders. she was reading it, basically, and she uttered those words. >> i would go to the podium and s

let's bring in our cnn law enforcement analyst, former fbi special agent josh campbell. we're joined by our chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin. so what might, jeffrey, rachel brand's departure from the justice department mean potentially for the overall russia investigation? >> this is a big deal, wolf. and, frankly, it's just weird. you know, i think we can all recognize that rod rosenstein's job is hanging by a thread. the white house spokesman can say everything they like but if you just look at the president when he's asked about rosenstein you can see the steam coming out of his ears so the fact that he may be gone means that his successor is a very important person. that person would be supervising the mueller investigation, would be the person asked to fire robert mueller if it comes to th that. up until today, i think all of us assumed rachel brand would remain in that job. she's a very distinguished lawyer. i knew her when she worked in the bush justice department on supreme court nominations. she worked in the chamber of commerce. she's only been in this job fo