this guy's got an interesting idea, let's bring out josh cushner. joe is the founder and chairman of massimo corporation. it was sort of a garage start-up that now employs more than 3,000 people worldwide and it's production of -- and distribution of a market leading measure through motion and low profusi profusion. >> i'm of know joe through his commitment to build a coalition to eliminate preventable patient deaths entirely by 2020. he just had his annual conference not very far from here in irvine. it's a fascinating struggle with so far a very good result. and an amazing thing, it will be interesting to know why he thinks he can do that. let's bring him out. our last panelist is jeffrey selberg this is really import t important. they're great friends of mine, and they have worked for years. we can bring debt, the debt we run up every year consume iing down. after years of beating their heads against a wall, they decided that actually all the real structural problems are in health care, combined with the aging of the population and they decided t