ohio scrap dealer josh joseph said when columbus cracked down, thieves went to outside the city limits. now that the whole state is cracking down, they'll just go across the state line. >> for someone to steal it, driving across the state and selling it, is a really easy thing to happen. the uniformity of the law, uniformity of the way it is enforced from an industry perspective we see as paramount to the success of the law. >> joseph has a lot of other concerns about the law. for one thing, he worries about what the cost of complying with it will do to family-owned small businesses in the industry. >> it's anywhere from probably 20 or $30,000 up to hundreds of thousands of dollars. we have spent six figures to maintain, upgrade and train our people in order to be compliant. >> and training might not be enough to keep some employees honest. how can you be sure that if somebody steals say a bunch of copper wire, brings it in, flips one of your employees 100 bucks, how do you insure your employee is not susceptible to that? >> i would say that our employees are susceptible to that. we th