joining us now is josh kaplan. thank you for being with us. i want to get down to the bottom of this because alito is claiming he's got very peripheral tangental relationship with singer, but there was stuff happening with singer in 2006 and the argentinean government and this was still going on when this fishing trip went on. how did alito get on this fishing trip? >> yeah, it's a really interesting question because one thing we learned they hadn't met before this billionaire and justice alito. so singer, the billionaire, was invited on this trip by leonard leo. he's the long time leader of the federalist society who helped hand pick trump's list of supreme court nominees. and singer was a major donor to leo. he invited him on this trip, and then he asked if leo and alito and fly on his private jet. and so, you know, there's a lot we still don't know about the genesis of this trip, but all roads so far point to alito. he's the only connection between these various prominent guests on the trip. it was a trip with the just that leo had just pla

josh kaplan is one of the propublica reporters who broke the story, and he joins me now. ome july 2008 trip that alito took to alaska, traveling there under private plane, paid for by that billionaire and stayed at a lodge also paid for by another major donor on the trip. neither of those things was disclosed. tell us a little about what you're reporting revealed about that trip and why people think it should have been disclosed. josh: singer was not just another guest on the trip. he provided a private jet to fly him across the country to alaska. if alito had chartered that playing himself, it could have cot easily more than $100,000. alito did not disclose any of this. it has been secret until now, and experts have told us it appears to have violated a law passed after watergate that requires justices to disclose to the public. amna: that billionaire later had a case before the supreme court. why did the experts you talk to say that in this case, alito should have recused himself from that case? >> he did not recuse himself in any of the at least 10 cespe that singe they

judge kaplan is one of the pro-public of reporters who broke the story -- josh kaplan.e heart of your story is this july 2008 trip that alito took to alaska, traveling on a private plane, paid for by billionaire paul singer to stay at the lodge also paid for by another major donor on the trip. neither of those things was disclosed. tell us about what you're reporting revealed about the trip and why people think it should have been disclosed. >> singer was not just another guest on the trip. he provided alito with a private jet to fly him across the country to alaska. if alito had charted that plane himself, it could have cost easily more than $100,000, and alito did not disclose any of this. it has been secret until now, and experts told us that he appears to have violated a government ethics law passed after waterge that requires justices to disclose those gifts to the public. >> that man, that billionaire, paul singer, his hedge fund later had a case before the supreme court, a case that the court, as you reported, previously declined to take up. why do experts you ta

the editors note on the op-ed today from samuel alito says that justin elliott and josh kaplan of propublica which calls itself an independent nonprofit newsroom that produces investigative journalism, email to justice alito on friday with a series of questions and asked him to respond by noon on tuesday. they informed the justice that we do serious fair and accurate reporting in the public interest, have won six pulitzer prize's, and here is justice alito's response. and that response in the form of an op-ed. this is some of what justice leaders said, propublica has all charges against me, first that i should have recused in matters in which the entity or any entity connected with paul singer was a party. and second that i was obliged to list certain items as gifts in my 2008 financial disclosure. he says my recollection when it comes to mr. singh or is that i have spoken to him on no more than a handful of occasions. all of which with the exception of small talk during fishing trips 15 years ago considered brief and casual comments at events attended by large groups of people. on no occasi