the josh kleins, the mark bradfords and the rachel harrissons? they come in and are so puzzled because we're so close to it in time it's hard to grapple with it and part of our job is to challenge as much as to celebrate and to test ideas, to put things out there and not just reconfirm what we already know. >> rose: let's talk about the relationship between a museum -- this museum and the the city. we mentioned the high line. you said it was important to let the city and let the street encroach. i mean -- >> i think that's the reason why i called that place not the lobby but the piazza. i'm italian. and in the city everything starts from the piazza. you experience things here, they come together. this is where people meet people. they got together. it's about not being intimidating. it's about being accessible. so this is the beginning, and then, of course, from there then you go up and you take your shoes off, and you go up and you enter a different world. but the ground floor is public space. >> and we have a free gallery in the public space an