. >> josh pike has known kunkel's family for most of his life.t relatives, he thinks of kunkel as his cousin. >> look, there's my cousin. hey! >> is cecil a racist? >> i can't really answer that. i'm not sure. because of his tattoos? >> yeah, he's got a huge swastika on his head. >> yeah. yeah. no. i mean, that doesn't mean you're a racist, you know what i mean? that doesn't signify that you're a racist. >> what does it signify? >> that i can't talk about. unfortunately can't talk about that. >> tell me why. >> it's like kind of like our thing, you know what i mean? as far as being a convict. >> while pike wouldn't say what kunkel's tattoos signify, he has an unlikely ally in his claims that kunkel is not a racist. >> i know some real white boys are real racists. he's not one of them. real skin heads, they don't get hot, know what i mean? he's a nobody. you know? >> what do you think when you see a swastika on his head and all that stuff? >> first off, i may feel a little hot, that's natural. but when i look at the person that it is and i find ou