josh reeves is ceo of gusto. that's a payroll software company that has an unlimited employees. cynthia shapiro is an author and executive. welcome, both of you, to the program. josh, your company has had unlimited vacation time for almost four years. how much time do most people take off? >> we don't actually track the exact time, but when we do talk to folks, it ends up being usually in the range of four to five weeks. >> wow. how much time did you take off last year? >> right about that range. i actually got married earlier this year, so it was my wedding in new zealand. >> hey, congratulations. >> thank you. >> cynthia, my mom always told me, if something sounded too good to be true, it probably was. is that the situation here, or is this really something that works out for employees? becky. those of us in the know are afraid that this is part of the great shrinkage of employee benefits. it's been happening in america for the last 25 years. they bought out everyone's pensions and everyone was so happy, early retirement, they put a nice glossy spin on it. and then the new peop