and josh reeves is ceo of gusto, a payroll company supporting 60,000 companies nationwide. valued at more than $1 billion. so congratulations to both of you. you both started it, so you have seen these companies through. through your journey, what is one tip you think other people need to know? >> i think as a founder of a very small company, which is all i really thought dry bar was going to be, i think we learned early on the importance of bringing in people who know things that you don't and bringing on people who are smarter than you who have skillsets and expertise in things that you don't. for us it was important to bring in people to help us grow and scale and not mess it up really. >> but was it tricky? because this is your vision. and then to have people say you should do this, do this. was it complicated at times to say okay you do that? >> as founder, it is the hardest personally of growth for me is allowing other people to make decisions. but i think you really seek out good people that you feel like are aligned with your values and your culture and vision. and