pennsylvania 20 general josh shapiro instructed the counties to refused to cooperate and vowed to take legal action to stop the process. state senate democratic leader jay costa will join us in a moment. demanding the state's republican leadership step in, writing quote, should you allow this to continue, senator mastriano will have build a frankenstein creation of a committee with limitless power, frighteningly controlled by his senate intent on taking every level of our government. it is your duty as officers of this body to put a stop to this. to be clear, these republicans are not going to stop on their own. they are going to have to be stopped. leading off our discussion tonight, democratic texas state representative armando martinez and harris county judge lina

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joining us is pennsylvania's attorney general, josh shapiro. confident as you were then that you can stave off such an effort? >> i'm absolutely confident. look, every time they've tried to push the big lie in the courts, they've lost and we have won and we have defended the will of the people. we had a safe and secure, free and fair election here in pennsylvania. anyone who has tried to undermine that has met us in court and lost, and we'll continue to do everything we can to protect the integrity of our election system as they seemingly work overtime trying to disable it. >> can you believe we're still talking about this? i mean i remember talking to you and watching my colleagues talk to you in the days after election day through that saturday, which felt like 11 years in my life. but what does it say that this is what they've got, this is all they've got? >> it says with a sliver of our electorate but a loud part of our electorate that that portion of the electorate and the candidates that are trying to speak to them are still trying to ser

right now, it's compromised. >> joining me now is pennsylvania attorney general, josh shapiro. mr.ia are, clearly, trying to make this, at least in part, a fight with you. i am wondering what your reaction is to the news that they are moving forward with this so-called forensic investigation? i mean, what does that term even mean to you, in this context? >> well, anderson, just one, respectful correction. it's not republicans in pennsylvania. and it's not a group of senators. it is one insurrectionist state senator who is demanding the personal-private voting information of 997,000 pennsylvanians. this is a sham, what he is trying to do. importantly, let's speak some truth. there have, already, been two legal audits done in counties all across pennsylvania. we know the truth. and the truth is that joe biden won the election here, in pennsylvania, by just over-80,000 votes. sadly, there are some people that just, simply, can't accept reality. and this state senator is one of them. >> just to be clear, i mean, do any counties or election officials have to legally comply with the dema

pennsylvania's attorney general, josh shapiro.aude, chairman of the department of african-american studies at princeton studies and charlie psyches, editor at large at "the bulwark." both msnbc contributors. eddie, i will start with you. it is an important point and a good correction. these laws are not going to pass in every state because some of them are controlled by republican governors who can veto them. where that bulwark does not exist, they are being enacted and passed into law. >> right. from arizona to missouri to nebraska to georgia. i mean we could tell -- to texas. we see this happening. it is a concerted effort. it is an all-out effort on the part of the republican party. i think what you have been saying over the course of these many weeks, nikole, you have been sounding the alarm, you have been trying to tell folk that we are in serious danger, that democracy is in serious danger. i think it is time for president biden to go on the offensive. i think he needs to give a speech about not the state of the union but th

pennsylvania attorney general josh shapiro constructed the counties to refuse to cooperate. state democratic leader costa, who will join us in a moment, wrote, quote, should you allow this to continue, senator mass masstriano will have built a frankenstein creation of a committee with limitless power, frighteningly controlled by a senator. to be clear, these republicans are not going to stop on their own. they are going to have to be stopped. leading off our discussion tonight, a democratic texas state representative, armando martinez, and the chief consecutive of hidalgo county, texas. representative martinez, you managed to stop the republicans by denying them quorum not so long ago but they're back now with this special session. they're relentless, if at first you don't succeed, try and try again, i guess is their approach. what is the plan to stop them, is there one? >> thank you very much, mehdi, thank you for having us on. we already know texas is already among the most restrictive voting rights states in the country and has a history of, you know, discriminating. so l

one thing is the democrats are fortunate in that the attorney general, josh shapiro who most viewers almost certainly going to be the democratic nominee. he's a very strong candidate. very popular. i think he ran better than biden statewide in 2020. he'll be a strong candidate. and, you know, the factors that caused biden to win pennsylvania by 80,000 votes in 2020 are going to affect voters when they look at somebody like mastriano. people who are eager to get rid of donald trump, the idea of somebody like mastriano becoming governor can motivate them. but given our history, yeah. the republicans have an excellent shot at that seat and there's an open senate seat that can be a huge year in pennsylvania. >> michelle goldberg and will bunch, thank you both so much. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thanks, chris. >>> tomorrow's a very big day. it is the first day of a massive social policy experiment in the u.s. how you can see more money in your bank account. what you need to know just ahead. with subaru, you get kelley blue book's most trusted brand winner, seven years in a row

i've heard from the things that you've said publicly and things that attorney general josh shapiro saidis a slow process to seeing that come to fruition. is that what we're starting to see with judge parker in michigan? >> well, i definitely think so and i hope so. you know, it's -- we know already what the impact has been of these lies that were told in a court of law and then repeated by the former president and his supporters. and it's done incredible damage to our democracy and it's undermined our system of elections. but the one place -- the one place that seemingly has held up is in our courthouses because we know that every judge that evaluated these claims, whether they were appointed by a democrat or a republican, you know being found these claims and dismissed these cases. it's time for these attorneys that filed these ludicrous claims and these pleadings to be held accountable. >> what are your concerns about the damage that's already been done? not just by the lie that is were told in court but the lie that is were told to millions of the ex-president's supporters? they're f