. >> josh stein, paul kedrosky, thank you for the debate. i'm sure it will not stop nor will mark andreessen. how a german startup has built a $1 billion business by cloning american companies like ebay and groupon. watch us streaming on your tablet, iphone, apple tv, amazon fire tv. ♪ >> i'm emily chang and this is "bloomberg west." blackberry is already planning a second edition of the passport smartphone selling out 200,000 units in the first few days of sales. as for earnings, revenue fell in the second quarter but their loss narrowed to $207 million. i asked ceo john chen when they would become profitable. >> i told people that we will be profitable in fiscal year 2016. depending on the reception of these phones and this one coming out and about two months, the software releases next month, i'm expected to see some growth next year. if i could get some growth on the top line, i would be able to make it profitable sooner. >> he would like blackberry to return to the consumer market but it's too soon to do so. rocket is a german investmen

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. >> josh stein. paul kedrosky, thank you. i'm sure the debate won't stop, nor will mark andreessen's tweets. a german startup has been cloning american companies like ebay and groupon. you can watch a streaming on your tablet, phone, bloomberg.com, apple tv, and it was on fire tv. ♪ i'm emily chang. this is "bloomberg west." john chen says blackberry is already planning a second generation of the passport smartphone after reception was better than he expected. the phone sold out, selling to a new thousand units in the first day of sales. revenue fell 42% in the second quarter. the loss narrowed to two and at $7 million. -- $207 million. i asked when they would become profitable. >> we would be profitable in fiscal year and 16. i'm still standing by that. depending on the receptivity of all these phones, and the classic coming out in about two months, our software releases in the next six months, i'm expected to see growth next year. with that, if i could get growth in the top line, i will be able to make it profitable sooner.