you don't know if it's josh ziminski somehow that's him changing his statement. what's that?ow him pictures, videos, say is that josh ziminski, we don't know. show other pictures. recognize that as the same person? yes. that's not getting him to change his statement. we had him read a statement. do you have anything to add to it? no. the next day, he goes over to mr. richards' office. all of a sudden he knows all this extra information that wasn't in his statement he was so nervous meeting with us because we showed him video or photograph that he took of joshua ziminski. >> then what did he do he? goes and hires a lawyer, very closely connected with a gossip blogger who attacks my office on a regular basis and very pro-rittenhouse. another, just funny coincidence in this case just like how mr. hernandez who doesn't live in this state could hire any of the thousands of attorneys in wisconsin or tens of thousands of attorneys in the state. no, he hires an attorney who kyle rittenhouse's defense team has already paid money to that firm. what a coincidence. so, mr. debruin doesn'

you can see josh ziminski right there on the screen. i'm going to put the cursor over where the ziminskis are, they are right in there. the defendant is pointing the gun right here, and they are standing next to that car. and on the chase occurs. what's interesting to me is watch when the crowd starts to run. it starts to run here even before the defendant fires a shot. that's because they are the first shot when it comes to josh ziminski, and the defendant has testified that that shot from mr. ziminski had nothing to do with his decision to kill joseph rosenbaum. and i'll come back to that in a second. finally i will this incident from the perspective of joo hernandez because he is behind all of this and he comes upon mr. rosenbaum's body. is that audio playing? >> is brian around? he's not. text brian please. [video playing] >> at this point the defendant has shot and killed joseph rosenbaum and mr. rosenbaum's laying face down, that's where he falls. mr. mcginnis rolled him over after trying to stem the bleeding here and you see that

you can see josh ziminski right there on the screen. the cursor over where the ziminskis are. they're right in there. the defendant is pointing his right here, and he's pointing it in the direction of the ziminskis because they're standing next to that car, and then the chase occurs. now, what's interesting to me is watch when the crowd starts to run. the crowd's already starting to run here even before the defendant has fired a shot. that's likely because they heard the first shot from joshua ziminski, and the crowd starts to run away. the defendant has testified that that shot from mr. ziminski had nothing to do with his decision to kill joseph rosenbaum, and i'll come back to that in a second. finally, i'm going to show you this incident from the perspective of drew hernandez because he is behind all of this, and then he comes upon mr. rosenbaum's body. >> is that audio playing? is brian around? he's not. can you text brian, please? >> at this point the defendant has shot and killed joseph rosenbaum, and mr. rosenbaum is laying face d

they heard the first gunshot from josh ziminski and they are already starting to scatter, but if you look on the video there's a huge open space in that lot where the defendant could have circled back around and he actually does circle back around after killing rosenbaum, where he could have gotten away. he has to exhaust all reasonable means of escape before killing mr. rosenbaum. your honor. i do have some more video i want to play. i'm having a little bit of technical problems that i'd like to work on so i think this would be a good time to pause if that's okay. >> okay. thank you. >> please don't talk about the case during the break, read, watch or discuss any account. we'll be getting back at 1:45 too soon. >> 12:45 or 145. >> i'm john king in washington. you're watching judge sdloeder send the jury out for a briefcase. the prosecutor mr. thomas bicker is making his case. let's bring in our analysts who are with us. paul, the closing arguments began after a very long morning session in which the judge had to send the jury out of the room and mr. binger started to start his closi

that the conduct of this guy, josh was in in ski who was a comforting the first guy who was shot, joseph rosenbaum. with the prosecutor said it was it do not worry about ziminski because i'm going to prosecute him for arson come january. that's not really that relevant to the trial and he's not supposed to be testifying about what he's going to be doing is prosecutor. he is to deal with the facts of the case. that's not what he wants to get to. >> john: before the jury was brought in to receive the instructions, judge kroger said that if he was acting lawfully in self defense, "the ball game is over." amongst the prosecution's presentation on the death of joseph rosenbaum, you see the chase through the car parking lot and rittenhouse turns and fired the first shot. it appears before rosenbaum got him. does that constitute self-defense? they made the case that he did not have his hands on rittenhouse's weapon but he did seem to be reaching out for him. he was trying to corner him in the area as rittenhouse slow down. what are your thoughts in that particular point. don't? >> it is a very controversial testimony and argument because it is based on a video that t