at a very simple please at all so joshua holland are you with us again and i am time you hear me i can i can hear you just by yeah it seems to be working now ok so so joshua the debt ceiling to drama goes on is this any way to run a government. well it's not a way to run a government it's a good way to run a government it's the ground and you know there's reports out today that there would be approximately one hundred billion dollars in interest costs even if we don't fall just by pushing this through to the final hour so what if. that's considerable. you write in your article for alternate today about this utterly wrong. that's driving president obama's posture on the debt ceiling and overall budget negotiations what is that myth and where did he get well i think that there is a very common myth in the beltway media that there exists this large body of so-called swing voters independent voters and they're supposed to be these surely centrist nonpartisan voters who are concerned about government spending gridlock in washington too much partisanship keeping things from getting done and

creators are working americans who spend money and create demand here to answer that question is joshua holland editor and senior writer at alter net and author of the book the fifteen biggest lies about the economy and everything else the right doesn't want you to know about taxes jobs and corporate america joshua welcome. hey john thanks for having me great to have you back with us with the gang of six plan create jobs in america and can you give just a give us just a general overview of what the details are of this so-called plan. well the gang of six plan this is a reiteration of simpson bowles it's a grand bargain that went intel deep cuts and then today there is news of the new deal that would also tell future potential revenue raising so what we're seeing is that you know they're going around in circles kind of pushing the these deals out there is a lot of leaks but the real substance here is that you have house g.o.p. or it's who are really you know they've drawn a hard line in the sand and they're not going to support a debt limit rise that has any tax revenue increases whatsoever that