me now from washington is former cia operations officer, and a former counterterrorism adviser, joshua katzakings of a cover-up? >> well i think the investigationses are going to be ongoing, investigations from the secret service, dhs. congress is going to launch its own investigations. so it's really too early to tell. but we do know that there has been a culture of integrity issues culture of doing the wrong thing, and at times thinking they're above the law. >> for a long time? this culture is deep-rooted or is this a new thing? >> this is not a new thing. i think one of the more popular or well-known instances is the colombia incident. but the incidents have been going on for a while and it's ingrained in the culture. and when i was on the hill we talked about this. and i think that you know mr. chaffetz has a daunting task ahead of him, because the jurisdiction on the hill is very, very complicated. >> so when you say it's in the culture, i'm just trying to understand specifically what. like overstepping one's bounds feeling an overabundance of kind of you know security in the job, and