this week we're talking to joshua reeves, the ceo and co-founder of gusto, an hr and benefits platform. in just five years they've grown. he talked to us about how shoes are not allowed in the office and how he deals with the responsibility of running such a large business. i hope you have a chance to listen to it. do me a favor and give us feedback. the podcast is still pretty new. we love hearing what you think. go, listen for free. it's called "been there. built that." >>> when we come back, what you need to do to keep your employees from going to the competition and how you can parlay your expertise into profits. it's pretty amazing out there. the world is full of more possibilities than ever before. and american express has your back every step of the way- whether it's the comfort of knowing help is just a call away with global assist. or getting financing to fund your business. no one has your back like american express. so where ever you go. we're right there with you. the powerful backing of american express. don't do business without it. don't live life without it. >>> how can