this week we talk to joshua rooefs the ceo of and he coveder of gustavo. the it's hr benefits platform in five years they have grown to work with over 1% of all employers in america. he talked to us about how shoes are not allowed in the office. and how he deals with the responsibility of running such a large business. he is a fascinating guy. i hope you get a chance to listen to it. as i ask you every week if you do do me a favor and give us feed cast in the second season, still new and we love hearing what you think. listen for free it's called been there built that. find it on tune in or with wherever you got a podcast. when we come back what you need to to do to keep employees from going to the competition. and how you can par lay expertise into profits. it's pretty amazing out there. the world is full of more possibilities than ever before. and american express has your back every step of the way- whether it's the comfort of knowing help is just a call away with global assist. or getting financing to fund your business. no one has your back like ameri